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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Your a human being, a citizen. You're not responsible for your neighbors house but pay for fire departments anyway. And if your naive or gets the right illness, and puts it off because he can't pay, you'll see that spread to your house as well.
    Nonsense. To do away with the personal responsibility to care for ones self is to say that there is a permanent underclass unable to change their situation in life...I don't believe that.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Perhaps I should have said most of the free world, as that too would be true. It really isn't a matter of freedom. No where has UHC really harmed freedom at all. I think this is largely a false notion. A person who is ill and can't get care other than emergency care isn't free. They're ill. Is like your house burning down and some patting you on the back and saying well at least you're free while they watch it burn down, and spas to the next house and the next. A fire department would have certainly been better. And like a fire department, you can have this and not lose freedom.
    What do you think Medicaid is, if not a "universal" health care system for the poor? What PPACA could have done is to simply require a 2% to 4% tax on AGI for those not quite deamed poor enough now to get coverage under the Medicaid system. That would accomplish basically the same thing, as far as offering basic medical care for "the poor" - would it not?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I confuse nothing of the kind. Having access doesn't reduce quality. In fact, for the poor, quality is often quite low here.
    Right, adding another 30 million to the healthcare roles and having a reduction in doctors will have no affect whatsoever on quality? Absolutely amazing, what a waste of time liberals are.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's a wide range of illnesses and injuries. Waiting could be longer and ore difficult than you think. And waiting until your disabled is hardly efficient.
    Agreed, but paying for insurance that you neither need nor want is not efficient either.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What do you think Medicaid is, if not a "universal" health care system for the poor? What PPACA could have done is to simply require a 2% to 4% tax on AGI for those not quite deamed poor enough now to get coverage under the Medicaid system. That would accomplish basically the same thing, as far as offering basic medical care for "the poor" - would it not?
    It's too limited and only gets to coverage when we've reached the worse possible situation. And our largest problem is the working poor. We want to encourage work, but then tell them they have to stop working before we can help them. It's the wrong message. And this system is inefficient both medically and economically.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Agreed, but paying for insurance that you neither need nor want is not efficient either.
    Need you can never be sure of. Never. Each of us is one accident or illness away from ruin. It's a false idea that there is no need. Want? Why you wouldn't want to be responsible escapes me. But the cheapest way to pay for this is through taxes and not insurance premiums.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nonsense. I said we spend over a trillion dollars per year on the military, which the facts I cited bear out.
    So tell me how much money should the taxpayers fund for defense of this country?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's too limited and only gets to coverage when we've reached the worse possible situation. And our largest problem is the working poor. We want to encourage work, but then tell them they have to stop working before we can help them. It's the wrong message. And this system is inefficient both medically and economically.
    You are making very little sense here. PPACA both expands Medicaid and (purports to) keeps the current "private" insurance system, that you seem to dislike so much, in place. In fact, the ONLY parts of PPACA that you actually seem to like are the federal mandates and income redistribution portions as "steps toward" a UHC system.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You are making very little sense here. PPACA both expands Medicaid and (purports to) keeps the current "private" insurance system, that you seem to dislike so much, in place. In fact, the ONLY parts of PPACA that you actually seem to like are the federal mandates and income redistribution portions as "steps toward" a UHC system.
    I never said I liked ACA. I only said it was a step in the right direction. I favor and have stated I favor a universal payer system.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Federal taxation is in violation of the Fourth Amendment. People just "accept" taxation and judges just keep enforcing taxation because it's how they put food on the table..

    Of course states have taxation legislated into their constitutions.. Apparently our federal government believes they're too "fresh" to legislate tax laws into our constitution...
    The constitution specifically authorizes taxation. My point was the SPENDING is illegal.

    Section. 8.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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