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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it's a cherry picking and misrepresenting. Not only that, France is just as similar, and they rank rather well.

    Look at their costs:

    But it is not as expensive as the U.S. system, which is the world's most costly. The United States spends about twice as much as France on health care. In 2005, U.S. spending came to $6,400 per person. In France, it was $3,300.

    Health Care Lessons From France : NPR

    You also misrepresent in suggesting health care is the reason countries are going broke. Often it is other issues that are dragging the country down. In some cases our own financial mess and idea of predatory lending reached overseas. But the fact remains, they spend less. Ad you never answered why you don't want more of your money.
    I think US healthcare spending is exaggerated by the extensive use of unneeded exploratory procedures.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/he...anted=all&_r=0

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Perhaps I should have said most of the free world, as that too would be true. It really isn't a matter of freedom. No where has UHC really harmed freedom at all. I think this is largely a false notion. A person who is ill and can't get care other than emergency care isn't free. They're ill. Is like your house burning down and some patting you on the back and saying well at least you're free while they watch it burn down, and spas to the next house and the next. A fire department would have certainly been better. And like a fire department, you can have this and not lose freedom.
    You seem to confuse access with quality and service. Tell me how having 312 million Americans on a UHC program improves service and quality?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You seem to confuse access with quality and service. Tell me how having 312 million Americans on a UHC program improves service and quality?
    The same way liberals think that by legalizing 20 million low skilled people into a market with the highest unemployment since the 1930s will lower unemployment.....
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    If you don't have the money for the procedure, then it is quite possible that you have Medicaid and will still not wait 10 months...
    Possible? Anything is possible. But the fact remains, we have people who don't. Who wait. Who go without.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You seem to confuse access with quality and service. Tell me how having 312 million Americans on a UHC program improves service and quality?
    I confuse nothing of the kind. Having access doesn't reduce quality. In fact, for the poor, quality is often quite low here.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I think US healthcare spending is exaggerated by the extensive use of unneeded exploratory procedures.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/he...anted=all&_r=0
    That likely plays a role, but that too is part of the problem.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Possible? Anything is possible. But the fact remains, we have people who don't. Who wait. Who go without.
    Why am I responsible for that?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you don't have the money or coverage here, see how long you wait.
    If you're disabled, by your medical condition and really don't have the money, then Medicaid is your magical answer. How long you must wait is a function of your state's speed in processing of your Medicaid claim and the willingness of a doctor to accept its meager payments for the required procedure once approved for Medicaid.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why am I responsible for that?
    Your a human being, a citizen. You're not responsible for your neighbors house but pay for fire departments anyway. And if your naive or gets the right illness, and puts it off because he can't pay, you'll see that spread to your house as well.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If you're disabled, by your medical condition and really don't have the money, then Medicaid is your magical answer. How long you must wait is a function of your state's speed in processing of your Medicaid claim and the willingness of a doctor to accept its meager payments for the required procedure once approved for Medicaid.
    There's a wide range of illnesses and injuries. Waiting could be longer and ore difficult than you think. And waiting until your disabled is hardly efficient.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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