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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Those that cannot afford it qualify for Medicaid. They also can go to the ER's where the people of the state pay for their care not the national taxpayer. You seem to not understand either concept.

Your facts were corrected, by I speak of the working poor. They often don't qualify for Medicaid. So that ER bill gets passed on, if they on. Many put things off. We see them when it's most expensive to treat them.
 
The Sate pays a bit, but the Federal government pays the majority of the expense...

I don't believe that is true, people who don't have insurance and go to the ER's are paid for by the taxpayers of the state through state taxes not through the Federal govt.
 
Your facts were corrected, by I speak of the working poor. They often don't qualify for Medicaid. So that ER bill gets passed on, if they on. Many put things off. We see them when it's most expensive to treat them.

Yes, and yet those expenses are paid for by the people of the state not the Federal Taxpayers.
 
I don't believe that is true, people who don't have insurance and go to the ER's are paid for by the taxpayers of the state through state taxes not through the Federal govt.

It's a Federal law that everyone must be treated, not a State law...
 
It's a Federal law that everyone must be treated, not a State law...

The only Federal money that goes to the hospitals are money paid to Medicaid or Medicare patients.The state taxpayers fund the rest of the hospital expenses.
 
The only Federal money that goes to the hospitals are money paid to Medicaid or Medicare patients.The state taxpayers fund the rest of the hospital expenses.

Factually incorrect. If you were correct, hospitals would not be required to treat everyone who showed up in the ER...
 
Factually incorrect. If you were correct, hospitals would not be required to treat everyone who showed up in the ER...


Federal law requires treatment but tax dollars pay for the expense of the uninsured however many hospitals write off many of those expenses which end up costing the state taxpayers more money.
 
Federal law requires treatment but tax dollars pay for the expense of the uninsured however many hospitals write off many of those expenses which end up costing the state taxpayers more money.

In most instances, the insured end up paying for the uninsured. IOW, you, I, and the federal government through increased charges for services...
 
Red? Who the hell uses that term anymore? You must be 80 years old.
Sixty. One must learn to be flexible. What term would you use to describe someone in the context of part black and part white? If it sounds better I will use it.
 
In most instances, the insured end up paying for the uninsured. IOW, you, I, and the federal government through increased charges for services...

That's is largely correct.
 
It is true, provided you hav enough cash.

If medical facilities would treat patients at the rate insurance companies paid, many would purchase a catastrophic policy and pay for many visits out of pocket...
 
If medical facilities would treat patients at the rate insurance companies paid, many would purchase a catastrophic policy and pay for many visits out of pocket...

Not enough. Too many would be unable to do that.
 
Not enough. Too many would be unable to do that.

Then maybe they should find a means to do so, but the model of medical facilities setting prices at an absurd rate is certainly not working efficiently...
 
Then maybe they should find a means to do so, but the model of medical facilities setting prices at an absurd rate is certainly not working efficiently...

Not really possible without Armageddon. Medicine is too big, and no one s going backwards. If Conservative thinks doctors hate losing money under this latest reform, watch the revolt under what you propose.
 
Not really possible without Armageddon. Medicine is too big, and no one s going backwards. If Conservative thinks doctors hate losing money under this latest reform, watch the revolt under what you propose.

Have you ever looked at a major medical bill to see the difference between what was charged and what the negotiated payment was?
 
Have you ever looked at a major medical bill to see the difference between what was charged and what the negotiated payment was?

Yep. I know quite a bit about this. I've spent time around all aspects of it. We won't go backward. It's not about my personal feelings. It's merely the reality if this situation.
 
Yep. I know quite a bit about this. I've spent time around all aspects of it. We won't go backward. It's not about my personal feelings. It's merely the reality if this situation.

It's not a case of gong backwards; it's moving forward past WWII when the employer based model was introduced and back to taking care of ones self and his/her/their family...
 
It's not a case of gong backwards; it's moving forward past WWII when the employer based model was introduced and back to taking care of ones self and his/her/their family...

That takes us backward, unless we go UHC.
 
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