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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    I don't know about Joe, but I can't wait until I have to sit on a waiting list for 10 months for a replacement hip....The pain will be exquisite....
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, no concept of what your taxes fund? You are a liberal elites dream, naive, gullible, poorly informed, and willing to accept the liberal elite rhetoric about spending in the name of compassion. You have no concept of what your taxes fund and willingly accept the fact that the intended use of those funds isn't being realized.

    When you go into a gasoline station, you pay Federal and State excise taxes which were created to fund the infrastructure including highways and bridges. Congress and the President have used that as a slush fund for whatever they want and spent the money just like they have done with your SS and Medicare contributions. You want to ignore that and reward that behavior by giving them more money? That is liberalism, thinking with the heart and not the brain.
    Again, You can't really talk about someone not knowing where the money goes since you had no clue that we spend over a trillion dollars per year on military.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Those are the two closest to having the type economy we have in this country but you are right, neither has 312 million people and 50 independent states. Why do you believe what the govt. is telling you? What benefit do you get out of Obamacare, me paying for your health insurance? Why don't you just send me your address and I will send you a check directly vs sending it to a bureaucrat to spend it for you?
    No, it's a cherry picking and misrepresenting. Not only that, France is just as similar, and they rank rather well.

    Look at their costs:

    But it is not as expensive as the U.S. system, which is the world's most costly. The United States spends about twice as much as France on health care. In 2005, U.S. spending came to $6,400 per person. In France, it was $3,300.

    Health Care Lessons From France : NPR

    You also misrepresent in suggesting health care is the reason countries are going broke. Often it is other issues that are dragging the country down. In some cases our own financial mess and idea of predatory lending reached overseas. But the fact remains, they spend less. Ad you never answered why you don't want more of your money.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't know about Joe, but I can't wait until I have to sit on a waiting list for 10 months for a replacement hip....The pain will be exquisite....
    If you don't have the money or coverage here, see how long you wait.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't know about Joe, but I can't wait until I have to sit on a waiting list for 10 months for a replacement hip....The pain will be exquisite....
    I don't think Joe is this naive and gullible but maybe I am wrong. Not sure what benefit he personally gets out of Obamacare but he sure is passionate about the topic, totally ignorant of history and reality but passionate.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Well, this is from the article you posted: "Since 2001, the base defense budget has soared from $287 billion to $530 billion — and that’s before accounting for the primary costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars." The total costs for the Iraq war was a little over a trillion over ten plus years. So going back to what you originally posted about the cost then posted in your article, ...fuzzy math. What it looks like to me is, you pulled a number off the top of your head that you heard before, realized the point you were trying to make with the number wasn't quite right, then tried to disguise what you first posted with a published article.
    Nonsense. I said we spend over a trillion dollars per year on the military, which the facts I cited bear out.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you don't have the money or coverage here, see how long you wait.
    If you don't have the money for the procedure, then it is quite possible that you have Medicaid and will still not wait 10 months...
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not at all. Reading is for the mental, I mean, fundamental. You said the US should use a UHC because "most" do; I simply pointed out that the US enjoys much more freedom and human rights than "most" do. Simply because something applies to more nations or to more people does not mean it is "better" it only means that it is more common.
    Perhaps I should have said most of the free world, as that too would be true. It really isn't a matter of freedom. No where has UHC really harmed freedom at all. I think this is largely a false notion. A person who is ill and can't get care other than emergency care isn't free. They're ill. Is like your house burning down and some patting you on the back and saying well at least you're free while they watch it burn down, and spas to the next house and the next. A fire department would have certainly been better. And like a fire department, you can have this and not lose freedom.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nonsense. I said we spend over a trillion dollars per year on the military, which the facts I cited bear out.
    And we have a 3.77 trillion dollar budget request in by Obama. It is the role of the Federal Govt. to PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE and that means the military. Now maybe a 700 billion dollar military is too much but that is what Obama proposed so how much of that 700 billion would you cut and what would that do to the 1.2 trillion dollar average Obama deficit?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't think Joe is this naive and gullible but maybe I am wrong. Not sure what benefit he personally gets out of Obamacare but he sure is passionate about the topic, totally ignorant of history and reality but passionate.
    My guess is that Joe doesn't get any benefit from Obamacare, and doesn't want to include himself in that program...But finds no problem forcing others into it....Much like Congress.
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