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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What makes you think this? I can find anything but nutter groups saying this. I mean, Alex Jones?
    Really? then prove it...

    Show me anywhere in our constitution where taxes are even mentioned.

    Why you think our government sold war bonds for? or bonds in general?

    I didn't know that it was nutty to be educated.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have done that for you and others already. You would get back you premiums, not taken out of your check, as well as your employers, in return for a 6% tax increase. For most that would mean more money in their pockets. Employers could even afford to pay more, compete better globally, and over all, we'd have better access. And if you choose to buy more, nothing will stop you.
    Really? And you believe that? Premiums have gone up, not down and nothing the govt. has ever done has come in on budget and been efficient. How you can believe your premiums will go down and you get more in your pay check is beyond comprehension based upon history. Where are you going to get the doctors to service all these new people? Why are doctors dropping out of Medicare? Hospitals not accepting Medicare? Higher taxes? Great, more money for the govt. to spend, a true liberal dream. I cannot believe how naive and gullible you are.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one thinks money grows on trees. Y should investigate more.
    So how much debt service is there going to be on the Universal healthcare? Don't you think you should find out?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Really? then prove it...

    Show me anywhere in our constitution where taxes are even mentioned.

    Why you think our government sold war bonds for? or bonds in general?

    I didn't know that it was nutty to be educated.
    The word can in my quote should read can't, and I don't no how to prove I can't. That's why I asked you where you came to this from. But as the courts have ruled concerning taxes, your question doesn't really answer my question (and I asked first), what leads you to the forth amendment?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? And you believe that? Premiums have gone up, not down and nothing the govt. has ever done has come in on budget and been efficient. How you can believe your premiums will go down and you get more in your pay check is beyond comprehension based upon history. Where are you going to get the doctors to service all these new people? Why are doctors dropping out of Medicare? Hospitals not accepting Medicare? Higher taxes? Great, more money for the govt. to spend, a true liberal dream. I cannot believe how naive and gullible you are.
    Government doesn't set the premiums you're paying. So, they have little to do with what I said.

    But yes, if you get a net profit, paying less in one place, you have not been harmed. It's math. If you being home $1000 month . You no longer have to pay your $200 premium. You get say 160 of that on your take home pay. Your boos no longer has to pay the other $400 dollars of it. So he can give another $100 a month (if he wants). You could have an additional 260 in take home pay. Your taxes increase by 6%. I'll say that's $120. You still make more than $140 more than you were making.

    Yep, that's bad.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Government doesn't set the premiums you're paying. So, they have little to do with what I said.

    But yes, if you get a net profit, paying less in one place, you have not been harmed. It's math. If you being home $1000 month . You no longer have to pay your $200 premium. You get say 160 of that on your take home pay. Your boos no longer has to pay the other $400 dollars of it. So he can give another $100 a month (if he wants). You could have an additional 260 in take home pay. Your taxes increase by 6%. I'll say that's $120. You still make more than $140 more than you were making.

    Yep, that's bad.
    Boo, sorry but you are absolutely hopeless, all theory and nothing factual. NO Govt program has ever cost what it was supposed to cost, EVER. Here is a program that hasn't even been implemented yet and already is projected to cost trillions and yet you think it is a good deal? You are a liberal bureaucrats dream

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Spending on infrastructure creates jobs; spending on education leads to more people who can then compete in the ever changing world. Both help build a sound nation.

    Last I looked, we were in desperate need of an upgraded electrical grid and highways system, high speed trains which compare to those in Asia and Europe, and many more people educated in math and science. You don't think it behooves us as a nation to invest in those things and encourage more kids to learn math and science?
    LOL. I'm sure the left is going to rally around the cause and agree not to file BS environmental lawsuits to stop any and all proposed updated highway system. And an "upgraded electrical grid"? Are you aware of how many lawsuits have to be won just to start a new power plant that has already been approved?

    Spending on infrastructure doesn't create jobs. Taxpayers create jobs.

    For what purpose a high speed train other than political corruption? It doesn't make economic sense. Once again getting the wacko left not to file lawsuits to halt all those projects except in the smallest of scale would prove next to impossible. Complete waste of time, that idea.

    We already spend billions on education. Why aren't they meeting the needs now in math and science? They have plenty of money, that's not the problem.

    Everything you have listed has had government build road block after road block up in opposition to. Bigger government is the problem, not the answer.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The word can in my quote should read can't, and I don't no how to prove I can't. That's why I asked you where you came to this from. But as the courts have ruled concerning taxes, your question doesn't really answer my question (and I asked first), what leads you to the forth amendment?
    The simple fact you can't prove the government can is telling - because the federal government is not only stealing from people but violating the Fourth Amendment.

    Judges are tyrannical - they get paid via taxes - they wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for taxes, just like the alleged "climate change" quacks wouldn't have a job if not for the myth "of global warming."

    We call this job security...

    Putting food on the table trumps truth any day... There are few people in this world that would choose truth over money...

    What is a lawyer without a job? a man/woman living in their parents basement that doesn't even know how to mow a lawn.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Boo, sorry but you are absolutely hopeless, all theory and nothing factual. NO Govt program has ever cost what it was supposed to cost, EVER. Here is a program that hasn't even been implemented yet and already is projected to cost trillions and yet you think it is a good deal? You are a liberal bureaucrats dream
    None is too absolute, but much of the problems have been asking programs to do more than planned for. The 6% number is a plan, spelled out, and it includes everyone. So, not as much room to move away from.

    But take the numbers and tell me why you object to keeping more money?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The simple fact you can't prove the government can is telling - because the federal government is not only stealing from people but violating the Fourth Amendment.

    Judges are tyrannical - they get paid via taxes - they wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for taxes, just like the alleged "climate change" quacks wouldn't have a job if not for the myth "of global warming."

    We call this job security...

    Putting food on the table trumps truth any day... There are few people in this world that would choose truth over money...

    What is a lawyer without a job? a man/woman living in their parents basement that doesn't even know how to mow a lawn.
    I can't follow the rant. Take a deep breath. Count to ten. Exhale. Repeat a few more times. Now relax.

    ready.

    Answer my question please.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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