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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Valid sources that aren't factually inaccurate. And it would. Help if you knew what it was actually telling you. You misread some information.
    It would help if you answered the question. What sources do you want me to post that you would accept since actual data from the Treasury doesn't seem to fit the bill?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Valid sources that aren't factually inaccurate. And it would. Help if you knew what it was actually telling you. You misread some information.
    It seems like you are only going to believe the sources you want to believe and ignore anything that contradicts your point of view. In addition logic and common sense apparently have no place in the liberal mind. Continuing to reward bad behavior is what you and others always support. It makes no sense with a 17 trillion dollar debt to add more to it by creating another entitlement program that simply gives the govt. more money to waste.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Spending on infrastructure creates jobs; spending on education leads to more people who can then compete in the ever changing world. Both help build a sound nation.

    Last I looked, we were in desperate need of an upgraded electrical grid and highways system, high speed trains which compare to those in Asia and Europe, and many more people educated in math and science. You don't think it behooves us as a nation to invest in those things and encourage more kids to learn math and science?
    Let me give you an example of how "your" govt. works. Hurricane Sandy hit the New Jersey area and the cries came for liberals to spend in the name of compassion and demonizing the GOP for holding up funding. Rather than look at the funding request and what was funded with the Hurricane Sandy Bill liberals probably many like you read the headline and never the story. Here is the rest of the story that you and others ignored. Here is what the Hurricane Sandy bill included

    $4 million for the Kennedy Space Center .
    $8 million to buy cars and equipment for the Homeland Security and Justice departments.
    $20 million for a nationwide "Water Resources Priorities Study".
    $41 million for eight military bases including Guantanamo Bay .
    $56.8 million for charting the debris from last year's Japanese tsunami.
    $58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.
    $100 million for the federal Head Start day care program.
    $150 million in funding for Alaskan fisheries.
    $188 million for new Amtrak lines (not repair, whole new lines).
    $197 million "to. protect coastal ecosystems and habitat impacted by Hurricane Sandy."
    $5.3 billion to the Army Corps of Engineers (that's more than their annual budget).
    $10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.
    $13 billion would go to "mitigation" projects to prepare for future storms.
    $17 billion for wasteful Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), a program that has become notorious for its use as a backdoor earmark program.
    Now tell me again why you believe anything this Federal Govt. tells you and why you would support any program to give them more money and more power until they clean up their own mess?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I think that's not the purpose of society, to invest other peoples money.
    Libertarian. Never heard of a social contract?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Let me give you an example of how "your" govt. works. Hurricane Sandy hit the New Jersey area and the cries came for liberals to spend in the name of compassion and demonizing the GOP for holding up funding. Rather than look at the funding request and what was funded with the Hurricane Sandy Bill liberals probably many like you read the headline and never the story. Here is the rest of the story that you and others ignored. Here is what the Hurricane Sandy bill included



    Now tell me again why you believe anything this Federal Govt. tells you and why you would support any program to give them more money and more power until they clean up their own mess?
    Pennies on the dollar.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It would help if you answered the question. What sources do you want me to post that you would accept since actual data from the Treasury doesn't seem to fit the bill?
    I don't have a list. But surely when you use something inaccurate, you can't expect people to accept it. And when you misread what numbers mean, you can't expect not to be called on it.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It seems like you are only going to believe the sources you want to believe and ignore anything that contradicts your point of view. In addition logic and common sense apparently have no place in the liberal mind. Continuing to reward bad behavior is what you and others always support. It makes no sense with a 17 trillion dollar debt to add more to it by creating another entitlement program that simply gives the govt. more money to waste.
    No, I accept accurate information. I give you accurate information.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't have a list. But surely when you use something inaccurate, you can't expect people to accept it. And when you misread what numbers mean, you can't expect not to be called on it.
    How would you know if it is inaccurate as you refuse to even research anything that goes against what you believe. Still waiting for the sources that you would believe? Do you believe the Treasury Dept data? How about CBO numbers? Have you bothered to see what the CBO is now scoring Obamacare? Any idea where the doctors are going to come from to service Obamacare? Why are doctors dropping out of Medicare? Why is it you believe the rosy picture painted by liberals regarding a single payer system? Can you not see this is nothing more than a funding program for other liberal programs? 17 trillion in debt, trillions in unfunded liabilities and that isn't enough for you?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I accept accurate information. I give you accurate information.
    You give me partisan opinion pieces and pass them off as fact. Please tell me how you expect the govt. that has run up a 17 trillion dollar debt, never implemented any social program at the projected costs is going to administer efficiently a program for 312 million Americans?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Pennies on the dollar.
    Seems those pennies have added up to 17 trillion dollars. All this spending in the name of compassion only brainwashes good people. Tell me why you would give them more money to waste or use for programs other than healthcare? how much of your SS contribution has been wasted on other programs?

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