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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

You may want to look back on your own spew in post #892 where you trashed the D word first before throwing your continued stones from your glass house. Agitator background is sheer lunacy and removes you from serious politics, no matter how many posts you have. Your seething hatred for Obama and anyone not right-of-center can'tor be controlled.

I trashed Obama who happens to have a "D" after his name but is no JFK Democrat and the Obama results support my position. Results don't seem to matter to people like you. You want badly to believe Obama's rhetoric while ignoring Obama results. That speaks volumes about your ability to determine what is serious politics. Because I point out the Obama results and his actions you and others call that hatred, sorry but 35 years in the business world taught me the ability to analyze results and not create hatred for the individual. It is the Obama policies that I hate and the poor results support me
 
No amount of discussion with you will amount to squat. You have your own facts. All of the things you accuse me and other posters of cannot be proven on DP posts. Keep fighting the good fight in your mind. And keep pushing people further away from you.
I trashed Obama who happens to have a "D" after his name but is no JFK Democrat and the Obama results support my position. Results don't seem to matter to people like you. You want badly to believe Obama's rhetoric while ignoring Obama results. That speaks volumes about your ability to determine what is serious politics. Because I point out the Obama results and his actions you and others call that hatred, sorry but 35 years in the business world taught me the ability to analyze results and not create hatred for the individual. It is the Obama policies that I hate and the poor results support me
 
No amount of discussion with you will amount to squat. You have your own facts. All of the things you accuse me and other posters of cannot be proven on DP posts. Keep fighting the good fight in your mind. And keep pushing people further away from you.

You are right, I have my own facts, facts from bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury which seemed to be good enough when Clinton was in the office but apparently not now. Explain why?

People like you and others in DP don't want facts, you want opinions to be considered facts. You want to believe rhetoric and not substance. You have no one else to blame but yourself for this failure.
 
Which facts? You talk in in wacko riddles. Your last three sentences are full of opinionated manure.
You are right, I have my own facts, facts from bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury which seemed to be good enough when Clinton was in the office but apparently not now. Explain why?

People like you and others in DP don't want facts, you want opinions to be considered facts. You want to believe rhetoric and not substance. You have no one else to blame but yourself for this failure.
 
You are right, I have my own facts, facts from bea.gov, bls.gov, U.S. Treasury which seemed to be good enough when Clinton was in the office but apparently not now. Explain why?

Which facts are relating Obama and Clinton? How would Clinton have done with this TEAloon House? Gingrich looks like a grown-up. Why are Republican governors like Walker spanking the Repub House in public?
 
I don't see government that way. I see us using government as a tool with which to control both access and costs.

I see government using us as tools, not the other way around. Consider our nation's "approval rating" of Congress compared to each state's "approval rating" of its own incumbents. Is the American public really able to use the government as a tool? Now THAT would be unprecedented. You have more faith in government and in the voting public to come up with a workable solution and accept tough answers than I do.

But you're right about denial of care. Few are willing to do that, which makes many if the market solutions ineffective.

It makes market solutions political non-starters because no one has the balls to advocate for them. If they were to actually be implemented, it would be very effective.
 
I see government using us as tools, not the other way around. Consider our nation's "approval rating" of Congress compared to each state's "approval rating" of its own incumbents. Is the American public really able to use the government as a tool? Now THAT would be unprecedented. You have more faith in government and in the voting public to come up with a workable solution and accept tough answers than I do.



It makes market solutions political non-starters because no one has the balls to advocate for them. If they were to actually be implemented, it would be very effective.

Not sure the approval rating means much. They tend to think its someone other than their congress criter. Besides, with all the negative political advertising going on, it's a wonder we don't have a 0% approval rating.

And yes, th public is. And largely that's actually how it happens. People work, push their representatives and they respond. Of course, so do business and other lobbyist grous.

Well, I don't think we disagree on the facts on your last sentence, other than what you might call effective. It would only address have the equation.
 
Which facts? You talk in in wacko riddles. Your last three sentences are full of opinionated manure.

Your opinion noted and just goes to show how intellectually challenged you are. Tell me the results and sources you believe
 
Which facts are relating Obama and Clinton? How would Clinton have done with this TEAloon House? Gingrich looks like a grown-up. Why are Republican governors like Walker spanking the Repub House in public?

Clinton did quite well after the 1994 elections when the GOP swept into control or did you forget. He worked with Congress, didn't campaign for the job he had after getting re-elected, sat down with Newt and implemented 60% of the Contract with America. Obama dictates and has no leadership skills at all.
 
ain't revision grand?
Clinton did quite well after the 1994 elections when the GOP swept into control or did you forget. He worked with Congress,
You're forgetting the shutdown after those 1994 elections when you said he worked so well with congress. lol
didn't campaign for the job he had after getting re-elected, sat down with Newt and implemented 60% of the Contract with America. Obama dictates and has no leadership skills at all.
they all campaign. That is silly.
 
ain't revision grand? You're forgetting the shutdown after those 1994 elections when you said he worked so well with congress. lol they all campaign. That is silly.

Didn't forget at all, but apparently you did when you ignored the fact that he actually signed Congressional approved legislation.

No, they all don't campaign after winning the job. It is time to lead not campaign. I can tell how many people here have ever led anything and you aren't one that has.
 
I have thousands of chem/physics students who would disagree but your kind discount this even more.

Obama cannot sign a bill that isn't on his desk. My IL.congressman is part of the majority half of Repubs saying shutdown and no bills.
Didn't forget at all, but apparently you did when you ignored the fact that he actually signed Congressional approved legislation.

No, they all don't campaign after winning the job. It is time to lead not campaign. I can tell how many people here have ever led anything and you aren't one that has.
 
I have thousands of chem/physics students who would disagree but your kind discount this even more.

Obama cannot sign a bill that isn't on his desk. My IL.congressman is part of the majority half of Repubs saying shutdown and no bills.

I asked you but you ignored what legislation did Obama want that he didn't get that would have benefited the economy and generate better results than he has. The Stimulus spending was given to you but you ignored it. Why? Did you notice all those shovel ready jobs in there? Did you know that Democrats controlled the Congress Obama's first two years in office and part of that time had a filibuster proof Senate? Of course not, it apparently is the GOP's fault that Obama couldn't get his Democrat congress to do what he wanted, or did he and you simply ignored it? How did the Obama projections go on economic growth and unemployment after the stimulus?

I certainly hope your chem/physics students do a better job on their homework than you do on yours. You see, leadership is always about getting results that are measurable and not just rhetoric. I am sure that even works in your line of work, results matter, not rhetoric.
 
Did you know that Democrats controlled the Congress Obama's first two years in office and part of that time had a filibuster proof Senate? Of course not, it apparently is the GOP's fault that Obama couldn't get his Democrat congress to do what he wanted, or did he and you simply ignored it?
Dems could not have controlled Congress for two years, as you said, if you also say Obama only had a filibuster-proof Senate for part of the time. Those two don't compute. I'll take one wrong at a time. And yes, we did have some Red-state Dem Sens
I certainly hope your chem/physics students do a better job on their homework than you do on yours.
My career is over. Yours as a cheap-shot partisan lives on.
 
How did the Obama projections go on economic growth and unemployment after the stimulus?
How is the economy doing now, five years after the meltdown ensued, with McCain hitting pause.
You see, leadership is always about getting results that are measurable and not just rhetoric. I am sure that even works in your line of work, results matter, not rhetoric.
I see that GOP leadership you talk of on display every day.
 
Dems could not have controlled Congress for two years, as you said, if you also say Obama only had a filibuster-proof Senate for part of the time. Those two don't compute. I'll take one wrong at a time. And yes, we did have some Red-state Dem Sens My career is over. Yours as a cheap-shot partisan lives on.

I hope you know more about Chem/Physics than you do about history and civics. You have been brainwashed by an ideology and appear to be incapable of doing any research to verify the Rhetoric.

Your career may be over but your ignorance of history and civics remain. Democrats took control of the Congress in the 2006 elections and kept control of the ENTIRE Congress until the election of 2010. There are two houses of Congress and the Senate rules allow for a filibuster of legislation. During part of Obama's first term it was filibuster proof but always in Democrat control. Obama got his legislative agenda through Congress and the results are all his.
 
How is the economy doing now, five years after the meltdown ensued, with McCain hitting pause.
I see that GOP leadership you talk of on display every day.

You tell me, Obama has stagnant economic growth under 2%, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, added 6.3 trillion to the debt in less than 5 years and has almost 50 million Americans on food stamps. Those numbers are July 2013 so you tell me how he is doing? Everyone of those numbers is worse than Bush's
 
Dems could not have controlled Congress for two years, as you said, if you also say Obama only had a filibuster-proof Senate for part of the time. Those two don't compute. I'll take one wrong at a time. And yes, we did have some Red-state Dem Sens My career is over. Yours as a cheap-shot partisan lives on.

By the way I spent 35 years in the business world, managed a 200 million dollar a year business, had over 1200 employees and retired 9 years ago.
 
And the results are a frickin miracle considering EVERYTHING. How many straight months for private sector job growth? I know I shouldn't, but you looney tunes are never gonna give it a rest. Your nightmare is to think of how good things would be with a LOYAL opposition.
I hope you know more about Chem/Physics than you do about history and civics. You have been brainwashed by an ideology and appear to be incapable of doing any research to verify the Rhetoric.

Your career may be over but your ignorance of history and civics remain. Democrats took control of the Congress in the 2006 elections and kept control of the ENTIRE Congress until the election of 2010. There are two houses of Congress and the Senate rules allow for a filibuster of legislation. During part of Obama's first term it was filibuster proof but always in Democrat control. Obama got his legislative agenda through Congress and the results are all his.
 
Impressive--I take it as a compliment that you would speak with me. Sincerely.

I am not an economic expert, as Boehner as admitted many times. I always want to learn. It isn't all Obama or Dem that is the problem. I see things as better since 2008.
By the way I spent 35 years in the business world, managed a 200 million dollar a year business, had over 1200 employees and retired 9 years ago.
 
And the results are a frickin miracle considering EVERYTHING. How many straight months for private sector job growth? I know I shouldn't, but you looney tunes are never gonna give it a rest. Your nightmare is to think of how good things would be with a LOYAL opposition.

Were you this excited when Bush had 52 straight months of private sector job growth and what does that really matter since there are 2 million fewer people employed today than when the recession began? That is the measurement that matters, that and the fact that most of those private sector jobs according to BLS are part time workers. The underemployment number is staggering so keep hanging your hat on the private sector job growth which just goes to show that brainwashing does work.

There is nothing I have seen from you that would describe you as a centrist, you are a diehard liberal democrat that cannot admit it
 
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