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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Neomalthusian said:
Well comparatively speaking you have fairly well reasoned arguments, but realize the pro-UHC crowd in general seems really geeked about universal access and not really aware of a need for cost-control or how to achieve it. Even as a libertarian I'd rather have a cost-controlled government system than our cost-uncontrollable status quo. What we have right now is disastrous, with or without PPACA.
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Actually costs for the insurers is controlled quite well. Have you ever looked at the details of what is accepted after you've seen a doctor or had a procedure?
 
Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

AlabamaPaul said:
Actually costs for the insurers is controlled quite well. Have you ever looked at the details of what is accepted after you've seen a doctor or had a procedure?
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I'm not sure what you mean.
 
Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

AlabamaPaul said:
Have you ever looked at the details of what your insurance actually pays after you've seen the doctor?
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Well I think so. For me it pays exactly nothing until I've spent a grand, and then it pays 80/20 until I've spent $3,500 out of pocket, and then it pays for virtually any damn thing. And my employer pays 100% of my premiums, which I'm told amounts to about $1,100 a month (and I'm in the 25-29 yr old bracket and healthy/fit).
 
Neomalthusian said:
Well I think so. For me it pays exactly nothing until I've spent a grand, and then it pays 80/20 until I've spent $3,500 out of pocket, and then it pays for virtually any damn thing. And my employer pays 100% of my premiums, which I'm told amounts to about $1,100 a month (I'm in the 25-29 bracket and healthy/fit).
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The issue is not what you or your employers pays, it is about what insurance companies pay to providers..
 
Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

AlabamaPaul said:
The issue is not what you or your employers pays, it is about what insurance companies pay to providers..
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And I think I described that, assuming everything my provider provided was alleged to be "medically necessary."
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The issue is not what you or your employers pays, it is about what insurance companies pay to providers..
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Good evening, AP. :2wave:

Having recently been involved in a hospital stay that required surgery for a fractured bone, I can state that I was shocked at the amount that was actually paid versus what was charged! Not that I am complaining, but who is the culprit here? :wow: My out of pocket was actually reasonable!
 
jonny5 said:
None of that is the responsibility of the federal govt. Protection from invasion is.
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Wake me us when we get invaded.

In the meantime, I'd like to see a little upgrade in our transportation system and information highway.
 
Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

AlabamaPaul said:
Whatever...
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What didn't I answer? Before getting pissy, explain your point or what information you're seeking. In my case, assuming everything is medically necessary, I pay every penny up to $1,000, then 20 cents on the dollar until I've spent $3,500, then nothing.
 
Amen to this one too. Along with a farm bill, the electical grid, continuing resolution, debt-ceiling, the end to the repub drama queens in congress and something with immigration.
calamity said:
Wake me us when we get invaded.

In the meantime, I'd like to see a little upgrade in our transportation system and information highway.
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Neomalthusian said:
What didn't I answer? Before getting pissy, explain your point or what information you're seeking. In my case, assuming everything is medically necessary, I pay every penny up to $1,000, then 20 cents on the dollar until I've spent $3,500, then nothing.
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I think he's speaking of an itemized list that shows some costs lowered for insurance. Or something along those lines.
 
Why do you think the charges are so high? Why are providers allowed to rip off us good people and the insurance companies?
polgara said:
Good evening, AP. :2wave:

Having recently been involved in a hospital stay that required surgery for a fractured bone, I can state that I was shocked at the amount that was actually paid versus what was charged! Not that I am complaining, but who is the culprit here? :wow: My out of pocket was actually reasonable!
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Diogenes said:
One pundit has suggested that we want medical care that is affordable, accessible, and of high quality; we can have two out of three. I think he may be right. For those of us who live along the northern border, the Canadian health system is a real boon because medical professionals who are good enough to compete come here to practice, and Canadians wealthy enough to pay for their care come down here to get it.
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What people don't understand is that access does not assure either service or quality and although it appeals to those who think with their hearts it is totally unattainable to have a universal healthcare program for 312 million Americans in 50 independent states. What this will do is give the govt. more money to waste, I mean spend, on programs that keep and make people dependent just like they have done with SS and Medicare. Although most who support UHC seem to be people with good hearts they seem to lack the brain power to see this is nothing more than a scheme to provide for more spending and more control since quality healthcare and service aren't even being considered.
 
NIMBY said:
The salaries of all teachers and the public pensioneers above $75,000 a year are public record. Most of those 75ers are admins or rich repub suburban teachers. We have over 3,000 grandfathers, averaging $200,000 a year. These are not teachers. This is $0.6 billion a year and cannot be sustained.
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Do you understand who funds teachers' salaries, Federal or state taxes?
 
calamity said:
That was twelve years ago.
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Yep, the camels died only to be replaced by other camels. My bet is you would be the first one calling for an increase in defense spending if one of your own was killed by one of those camels. You don't seem to grasp the reality that radical Islam wants you dead therefore whose responsibility is it to prevent that from happening?
 
NIMBY said:
Why do you think the charges are so high? Why are providers allowed to rip off us good people and the insurance companies?
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Good evening, NIMBY. :2wave:

I'm not certain that the providers are entirely at fault here. Too many doctors are getting out of the business at the worst possible time, because Obamacare is adding millions of people who were never insured before. When someone sitting in DC can decide how much a doctor may charge, how much time is your doctor going to have to spend with you when they need to see X amount of people per day just to make their overhead? Not going to turn out well for the average person, IMO. :thumbdown:
 
I've noticed a whole lot more edginess this year among the providers, especially the employees. Our local hospital was bought out by the Sisters in Peoria. We now see signs that patient misbehavior will not be tolerated. Pressure is being put on the doctors and nurses and they are breaking down.
polgara said:
Good evening, NIMBY. :2wave:

I'm not certain that the providers are entirely at fault here. Too many doctors are getting out of the business at the worst possible time, because Obamacare is adding millions of people who were never insured before. When someone sitting in DC can decide how much a doctor may charge, how much time is your doctor going to have to spend with you when they need to see X amount of people per day just to make their overhead? Not going to turn out well for the average person, IMO. :thumbdown:
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How about both, along with local taxes? All states are different, a continued travesty of the 10th amendment. We'll always have separate and unequal schools. Our school depends more on state aid than most, with a little from federal and the rest local.

Conservative said:
Do you understand who funds teachers' salaries, Federal or state taxes?
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Conservative said:
What people don't understand is that access does not assure either service or quality and although it appeals to those who think with their hearts it is totally unattainable to have a universal healthcare program for 312 million Americans in 50 independent states. What this will do is give the govt. more money to waste, I mean spend, on programs that keep and make people dependent just like they have done with SS and Medicare. Although most who support UHC seem to be people with good hearts they seem to lack the brain power to see this is nothing more than a scheme to provide for more spending and more control since quality healthcare and service aren't even being considered.
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Good evening, Conservative. :2wave:

Excellent post! :thumbs:
 
My post didn't involve teachers. Admins and grandfathers are paid out of TRS and the other 4 public pensions also and are a big part of the problem. Less and less money goes to schools each year. Draconian measures are on the way, not by choice.
Conservative said:
Do you understand who funds teachers' salaries, Federal or state taxes?
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NIMBY said:
I've noticed a whole lot more edginess this year among the providers, especially the employees. Our local hospital was bought out by the Sisters in Peoria. We now see signs that patient misbehavior will not be tolerated. Pressure is being put on the doctors and nurses and they are breaking down.
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There has got to be a reason why hospitals are merging with each other. It can't be entirely to save money, because they seem to be shorthanded. The last thing a sick or injured person needs is to be handled by a overworked, tired hospital worker who is asked to work a double shift because someone has called in sick! My neighbor is a nurse, and her work week averages about 70 hours per week. That's how mistakes in medications, etc are made! :eek:
 
NIMBY said:
How about both, along with local taxes? All states are different, a continued travesty of the 10th amendment. We'll always have separate and unequal schools. Our school depends more on state aid than most, with a little from federal and the rest local.
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The responsibility for your schools is your state and local community, not the taxpayers of another state or local community.
 
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