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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The USA is a constitutional republic. What youre proposing is not. Thus it would be easier if you simply started your own country instead of fundementally changing this one.
    The USA is a democratic constitutional republic. What I am proposing has already been largely achieved. Once the republican party has devoured and defeated itself the human beings can tweek the details to get where we are going.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The USA is a constitutional republic. What youre proposing is not. Thus it would be easier if you simply started your own country instead of fundementally changing this one.
    What you are asking of these liberals and progressives is fundamentally impossible for them to attempt. Starting their own country would mean that:

    1. They would need the moral and ethical standing to attract followers. They don't have that.
    2. They would need to take land and property away from those who have no desire to give it up. Liberals and progressives do not have to courage to make such an attempt.
    3. Because of their failings listed above, they have become dependent upon their current tactics...tactics which better suit their deficit of character. These tactics include lying to and manipulating people into accepting their items in their agenda...little by little...until it seems to late for any but their ultimate goals.

    Reid and his ilk are prime examples of such people...and they are now feeling comfortable with the progress of their tactics to admit their intentions...at least where Obamacare is concerned.
    TANSTAAFL

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    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    What about the rest of us?
    It would work even better since a majority of "the rest of us" hardly ever even use our healthcare system before age-65. It's a very small percentage who need serious healthcare before 55. And, the people using it between 55 and 65 is a drop in the bucket compared to those using it after 65.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Reid and his ilk are prime examples of such people...and they are now feeling comfortable with the progress of their tactics to admit their intentions...at least where Obamacare is concerned.
    To attempt to rise to the moral standards that the rest of humanity has established many years ago, is not a very bold stand to take.
    I always thought Harry was kind of meek... This hasn't really changed my opinion of him.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    His goal is to redistribute wealth and govt ownership of healthcare, in order to achieve social equality. Thats the textbook definition of socialism.
    Maybe the textbook of Rush...
    As I have said before , All governments "redistribute" wealth. If you oppose this you define yourself as an anarchist. There are no governments that do not redistribute wealth.
    In a single payer system the government would not own hospitals or drug factories or employ doctors. How could you see that as "ownership"?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The USA is a democratic constitutional republic. What I am proposing has already been largely achieved. Once the republican party has devoured and defeated itself the human beings can tweek the details to get where we are going.
    No, its a constitutional republic. The govt is run according to the constitution as the supreme law. What you are proposing is unconstitutional. Which is why you should start your own country if you dont like the laws of this one.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Maybe the textbook of Rush...
    As I have said before , All governments "redistribute" wealth. If you oppose this you define yourself as an anarchist. There are no governments that do not redistribute wealth.
    In a single payer system the government would not own hospitals or drug factories or employ doctors. How could you see that as "ownership"?
    No, an actual textbook, or dictionary if you prefer

    Definition of SOCIALISM


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    : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
    In this case healthcare. The govts already own most of the hospitals, and the federal govt highly regulates healthcare. Its heading towards more control, not less. Why dont you just embrace the term and say theres nothing wrong with socialism. Why fight it?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It would work even better since a majority of "the rest of us" hardly ever even use our healthcare system before age-65. It's a very small percentage who need serious healthcare before 55. And, the people using it between 55 and 65 is a drop in the bucket compared to those using it after 65.
    Then its not working very well at all. I pay thousands a year for medicare, and get nothing for it.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Then its not working very well at all. I pay thousands a year for medicare, and get nothing for it.
    It's supposed to be that way.

    I've paid tens of thoudsands for health insurance over my working career and never see a doctor. I'm still grateful for the asset protection if ever I do need hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of healthcare. That's why they call it insurance.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I know countless people who would start their own business if not for the high cost of personal healthcare. I also know that my company is at a disadvantage with foreign competitors in places like Western Europe because those companies do not have to carry the high overhead associated with healthcare. Many of our employees earn less per month in salary than the cost of their healthcare, for example.

    BTW, I noticve you Righties always point to yourselves and say stuff like "I have health care, why don't you?" As if the world only revolved around you and I.
    Why don't they? Until Obama made things extremely difficult in landing a good job it was always easy enough to land a good enough job that provided health insurance if that's what a person wanted to do. For whatever reason, many people chose to do things that did not provide these type things. So when I hear someone whine about no health care, unless they have been laid off, most likely along the way they decided other things were more important. Might have parting, illegal drugs, working a job that paid more cash but no health insurance, been in jail, not motivated enough to go where the jobs are, and so on. if there is any fault or blame it's usually on them.

    And complaining about the costs? get out of here. The more the US government gets involved in healthcare, the higher the cost will rise. Until they just quit treating people or quit authorizing treatment.

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