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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    You do see this, in a round about way. It has to be round about because there is no other option.

    Many people authorized Tricare don't use it. Being it is a government program, it operates under government rules. Wait times for care can be much longer as patients are seen on a priority basis for the same illness. If you are lucky, no problem, you get seen in a reasonable time frame. If not, well, to bad. Funding is always an issue toward the end of the fiscal year. Treatments and procedures, even some medicines can be postponed just to wait on a few fiscal date. The list goes on and on.
    Oh, I never said TRICARE was good. I'm just pointing out TRICARE as an actual, working model of Socialist medicine. It also serves as a tool to point out how people who call Obama a Socialist as dirty word are extremely offended that he attempted to make Socialist Medicine less Socialist.

    I don't think the average person really knows all that much about getting all their healthcare handled by a government agency. If they did, most probably would have been and would be a lot more vocal in their opposition to Obamacare and whatever dimwit government idea on healthcare it is that follows it. look at the games that were played in the funding of Medicare just to get Obamacare to pass. Well, unless things change, it will be games such as those played on people every year except to an even larger scale. Bad ideas don't get better with time.
    But this still doesn't get to the point that a single payer system is not Socialist. Private healthcare funded by a single payer isn't Socialist. As you stated, TRICARE's Socialist medicine has problems. But a single payer system doesn't own the hospitals, employ the doctors and make the drugs.

    Single Payer can in theory do quite a bit of good for healthcare in depressing costs, streamlining medical records, and cutting out middle men. There's always a chance it can go wrong, but what doesn't have that problem?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

    It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

    The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
    Yep. Obamacare is the ultimate camel (the animal designed by committee). Rather than wasting everyone's time trying to correct the problem of being only 1st world country without national healthcare.... (with the most expensive, least efficient healthcare system in the 1st world) by adopting the Heritage Foundation's healthcare vision of using private insurance and compelling people to buy it by mandate, they should have simply used their votes to adopt the correct plan: single payer. Even though the Dems offered up the Republican plan, they got no takers, so why did they waste their time in compromise?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yep. Obamacare is the ultimate camel (the animal designed by committee). Rather than wasting everyone's time trying to correct the problem of being only 1st world country without national healthcare.... (with the most expensive, least efficient healthcare system in the 1st world) by adopting the Heritage Foundation's healthcare vision of using private insurance and compelling people to buy it by mandate, they should have simply used their votes to adopt the correct plan: single payer. Even though the Dems offered up the Republican plan, they got no takers, so why did they waste their time in compromise?
    Good question.
    In the end single payer universal coverage is the only solution that will work. If you try to lay down and compromise with repiglicons you come out smelling like a pig. The president's attempts to placate these swine has only screwed up the vision and delayed the inevitable. I expect that Hillary will expound on what our current President has begun and save us from the extortion and financial oppression of corporate medical and corporate pharma.
    Historically, whenever conservative powers come to oppose human rights and try to use the power of government for their purposes, they have always eventually lost.
    Healthcare is no different.
    The US will never regain the status as the greatest country in the world until we get our humanity together, bring equitable healthcare to all Americans and re-establish a solid middle class.
    I have confidence that these things are still achievable within my lifetime.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That doesn't even mean anything.
    Well, thats the problem with todays world.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Good question.
    In the end single payer universal coverage is the only solution that will work. If you try to lay down and compromise with repiglicons you come out smelling like a pig. The president's attempts to placate these swine has only screwed up the vision and delayed the inevitable. I expect that Hillary will expound on what our current President has begun and save us from the extortion and financial oppression of corporate medical and corporate pharma.
    Historically, whenever conservative powers come to oppose human rights and try to use the power of government for their purposes, they have always eventually lost.
    Healthcare is no different.
    The US will never regain the status as the greatest country in the world until we get our humanity together, bring equitable healthcare to all Americans and re-establish a solid middle class.
    I have confidence that these things are still achievable within my lifetime.
    Lol, you guys really need to get your own country.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Do I think Obama is a Socialist at all? No. Because, unlike you, I actually know what Socialism is. You just define it as you so please with no regards for what it means.

    It's funny how you're attacking Obama for his attempts to de-socialize Socialist medicine. The hypocrisy people have here is outrageous.
    His goal is to redistribute wealth and govt ownership of healthcare, in order to achieve social equality. Thats the textbook definition of socialism.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Lol, you guys really need to get your own country.
    We do ...it's called the United States of America.
    LOL ROTFLMFAOATSFR

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Funny. Government healthcare seems to work pretty well for people over 65, just when they begin using the medical world for real. Fittingly it's called Medicare.
    What about the rest of us?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    We do ...it's called the United States of America.
    LOL ROTFLMFAOATSFR
    The USA is a constitutional republic. What youre proposing is not. Thus it would be easier if you simply started your own country instead of fundementally changing this one.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's very easy to call other people sheep to make yourself feel better. Justify that with better ideas, rather than just sneering.



    You mean like how the medical industry is geared around the insurance companies? And the impetus for healthcare reform has largely stemmed from a desire to take that allegiance away from insurance companies and place it into the hands of the American people? Obamacare did not do this enough, still sacrificing the health, wealth, and security of the poorest Americans to protect the profits of insurance companies. Cutting the insurance companies out of the equation entirely, through single payer, would accomplish this nicely.



    As opposed to what we have now and had before Obamacare, where they were responsible to profiteering insurance companies? How exactly is a corporate accountant more interested in your health than a bureaucrat? The former's job is only to make a profit for his employers, even at the cost of your life. The latter's only job would be to coordinate health services to ensure that you got what you needed. Meanwhile, doctors usually care about their patients' health, regardless of who is paying them.
    You are certainly correct that the medical industry is focused around the insurance companies--because they are footing a good chunk of the bill. The only difference is that you don't really want to put it into the hands of "the American people", but you want to put it into the hands of government. Sure we elect those folks, but it's not like we've done a great job of it, so why would we expect better from them with healthcare.

    Think about this. Why has the Lasik procedure gone down in price? It isn't covered by any insurance and it isn't controlled by government. All the country needs is a lot more competition and here government can help. They can allow for the insurance coverage across state lines and they can implement catastrophic coverage for all Americans. All Obamacare seems to do is create more rules and make things more complex--sort of like taxes.

    If I posted something here that you disagree with, please let me know what it is. If all you think is that I didn't go far enough, then you don't seem like someone who is willing to compromise.

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