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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The Constitution is intended to protect citizens from the Federal government's removal of basic rights, as a citizen, not to provide for support...
    In part. This part gives fuel to those who see more:

    The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." This clause, called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the Tenth Amendment. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. The principle underlying this distinction—the limitation of federal power—eventually inspired the only important disagreement over the meaning of the clause.


    General Welfare legal definition of General Welfare. General Welfare synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Where are your words in bold, obnoxious font in the Constitution?
    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    The bill of rights and it's amendments say the rest.
    Note that it states the GENERAL welfare... not the welfare of the elite and corporations.
    Is it still obnoxious to you when it comes from the preamble?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In part. This part gives fuel to those who see more:

    The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States." This clause, called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the Tenth Amendment. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. The principle underlying this distinction—the limitation of federal power—eventually inspired the only important disagreement over the meaning of the clause.


    General Welfare legal definition of General Welfare. General Welfare synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
    IMV, Congress is at fault for not reigning in the courts when they exercised the extraordinary power to "interpret" the Constitution rather than uphold it...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    IMV, Congress is at fault for not reigning in the courts when they exercised the extraordinary power to "interpret" the Constitution rather than uphold it...
    Their job is to interpret. Anyone dealing with legal language knows intent means less than what is actually said. That's what makes writing these documents so difficult.


    With respect to the meaning of “the general welfare” the pages of The Federalist itself disclose a sharp divergence of views between its two principal authors. Hamilton adopted the literal, broad meaning of the clause;533 Madison contended that the powers of taxation and appropriation of the proposed government should be regarded as merely instrumental to its remaining powers, in other words, as little more than a power of self–support.534 From an early date Congress has acted upon the interpretation espoused by Hamilton. Appropriations for subsidies535 and for an ever increasing variety of “internal improvements”536 constructed by the Federal Government, had their beginnings in the adminis[p.154]trations of Washington and Jefferson.537 Since 1914, federal grants– in–aid, sums of money apportioned among the States for particular uses, often conditioned upon the duplication of the sums by the recipient State, and upon observance of stipulated restrictions as to its use, have become commonplace.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/ht...ag29_user.html
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    You don't read very well do you?
    The constitution will support the rights and welfare of all Americans
    Wanna try again?
    The whole focus of the Constitution is to establish the responsibilities of the federal government and to limit it's effect on the population. That was the focus of the men who wrote the thing.

    Your focus...as a progressive...is to disregard the government's responsibilities and to expand its effect on the population.

    The Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves at the things you progressives and liberals have done to their magnificent document.
    TANSTAAFL

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    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post

    The Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves at the things you progressives and liberals have done to their magnificent document.
    Maybe, but maybe not. They were intelligent men who had they lived through the history may well have accepted more of this than some believe. The thing with being dead is we fix them at a place and time and don't allow for what changes time might have born.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Maybe, but maybe not. They were intelligent men who had they lived through the history may well have accepted more of this than some believe. The thing with being dead is we fix them at a place and time and don't allow for what changes time might have born.
    That's why they incorporated Article 5 into the Constitution...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    That's why they incorporated Article 5 into the Constitution...
    That would be very inefficient for most small issues that likely fall under some provision. Not everything requires an amendment. But the comment was aimed at the belief that the founding fathers would be disappointed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    That's why they incorporated Article 5 into the Constitution...
    And at the same time made it very difficult to do! Maybe those "old fogey founders" were not as unaware of human nature as many people today like to think they were?

    Good evening, AP!

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The answer is the free market. Get governments out of it.
    Okay, except neither the insurance companies nor the hospitals want that. Nor does that even explain what the alternative realistically is in any tangible way.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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