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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The solution is freedom. People can figure it out themselves.
    That doesn't even mean anything.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    The united States is the only country in the world where insurance corporations are allowed to make a profit selling health insurance to human beings.
    The rest of humanity view this as largely a moral issue. A minority of Americans support the current system and they are losing ground every day.
    Single payer universal coverage is where we are surely headed.
    I don't need Harry Reid to know that.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You just answered the question--there've been no attacks for years. The Arabs don't have to means to sustain 911 type pressure. We overreacted out of fear, which is understandable. That we kept doing it is not.

    I never said the initial response was bad, it's the ongoing WOT that's silly. The patriot act, arming LEO to the hilt, the loss of freedom, the total lockdown in airports and militarization at our southern border, complete with checkpoints along I-10 that snare mostly American citizens carrying a little pot. Those things are nuts.
    Didn't have the means to sustain attacks? All they needed was some men with box cutters. Increasing resistance to that type of attack was what the Patriot Act was all about. You benefitted from the increased security and then used the succcess of counterterrorism to claim that it wasn't necessary.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Didn't have the means to sustain attacks? All they needed was some men with box cutters. Increasing resistance to that type of attack was what the Patriot Act was all about. You benefitted from the increased security and then used the succcess of counterterrorism to claim that it wasn't necessary.
    Libertarian...right.

    I have some elephant repellant you wanna buy it? I can guarantee it works, you'll never be attacked by an elephant as long as you're wearing it.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Speaking of low information voters, you sure have bought the right-wing fearmongering regarding how single-payer works!
    and this is why even the most perfect flawless system could never get implemented, fear, the other side will always scare the low information voters, this goes across the board on so many issues. Very hard for big changes like this when so many buy in to the other sides hollow talking points.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Libertarian...right.

    I have some elephant repellant you wanna buy it? I can guarantee it works, you'll never be attacked by an elephant as long as you're wearing it.
    Libertarianism isn't a suicide pact. Libertarians do believe in the necessity of national security. Even a flatworm knows enough to turn away from pain, but apparently a lot of progressives don't.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    • I fear you're drawing too simplistic a conclusion.
    • Government run healthcare can't possibly make it any better.
    The bolded part sounds parroted. It works very well in many countries which have it. What we currently have does not work very well. Why is that?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Didn't have the means to sustain attacks? All they needed was some men with box cutters. Increasing resistance to that type of attack was what the Patriot Act was all about. You benefitted from the increased security and then used the succcess of counterterrorism to claim that it wasn't necessary.
    More like taking a shotgun to kill a fly. Making the cockpit more secure, sniffing for explosives and preventing people from bringing boxcutters onboard the plane probably would have sufficed. Going on a global campaign to root out terror cells seems rather unnecessary to me.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The united States is the only country in the world where insurance corporations are allowed to make a profit selling health insurance to human beings.
    The rest of humanity view this as largely a moral issue. A minority of Americans support the current system and they are losing ground every day.
    Single payer universal coverage is where we are surely headed.
    I don't need Harry Reid to know that.
    then if the rest of world is so much better the the US then move no one is stopping you. What makes the US better then the rest of the world is because we are not like the rest of the world

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Tort is a small issue blown way out of proportion by most people who advocate for its reform.
    Disagreed. I had no insurance when my older daughter was born, and she cost me a grand total of $300 (prenatal, delivery, 5 days in the hospital, and a 30-day checkup). At that time, this cost was equal to (a) 240 hours at the minimum wage of $1.20, or (b) three months rent on a nice brick one-bedroom apartment within walking distance of the campus, or (c) 5% of the starting wages of a freshly minted engineer. When that baby girl graduated from medical school, she wanted to be an ObGyn but her liability insurance premiums would have been $100,000 per year, so she chose a different specialty. When my youngest grandson was born, the three comparison values I cited above would have dictated a cost of $1500-$1800 before insurance; the actual bill before insurance was over $11,000 and that tells me that something north of 85% of the bill is being diverted to something besides the care of the patient being billed.
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