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Thread: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From what I know of Joe, I would say it was about 6 years ago....When I first met him, he was far more measured in his thought processes, and during conversation would actually read, ponder, and sometimes even say that his opposition had a good point. But then again, that was also when randel (aka: Green Lantern) also touted himself as a conservative, so it all could have been an act.

    I don't think that Joe is against Liberty, just that he defines liberty in a far different way, and that is he looks at it from the emotional standpoint of 'fairness' rather than ability, and personal responsibility. And as long as he is insulated from what he proscribes for others to do, then he truly doesn't understand what the ramifications of his thoughts would be left to run wild.

    In short a typical progressive.
    I regret to say that I now view him as an enemy. Before I saw him as misguided but honest.

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    Re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No it wasn't. It died due to stupidity.

    And I'm no enemy of liberty. I just don't go over the edge with the exaggerations. It's enough of a problem when dealing with it honestly. I don't support those actions. But when you exaggerate, like crying wolf, you lose credibility. You help those who do these things by playing the fool. It costs you wider support.
    I can only see you as an enemy from this point forward.

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    Re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I can only see you as an enemy from this point forward.
    Thats your choice, and more of the hyperbole I've been talking about. I am saddened that anyone would swallow so completely that nonsense you preach.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From what I know of Joe, I would say it was about 6 years ago....When I first met him, he was far more measured in his thought processes, and during conversation would actually read, ponder, and sometimes even say that his opposition had a good point. But then again, that was also when randel (aka: Green Lantern) also touted himself as a conservative, so it all could have been an act.

    I don't think that Joe is against Liberty, just that he defines liberty in a far different way, and that is he looks at it from the emotional standpoint of 'fairness' rather than ability, and personal responsibility. And as long as he is insulated from what he proscribes for others to do, then he truly doesn't understand what the ramifications of his thoughts would be left to run wild.

    In short a typical progressive.
    I appreciate the effort at a more reasoned response.

    But allow me to present a different reading. Even you have commented how well discussions have gone with and others who disagree with me. That is largely because they respond in kind. They reason, think, ponder, and present in a logical manner. They use credible sources, no liberal socialist communist hate America nonsense. After years of trying to have reasoned discourse with those who will never move beyond the ingrained ideology, lacking all reason thought, I do refuse to play but so far with them. Maybe that us what you detect. Most these debates are not new. We could, if we thought about what was really said, repeat each others arguments. So, what's the logic in beating a head against the wall.

    You spend too much time talking about, arguing the stereotypes in your head and not what I argue. In spite of that, for some silly reason, I've always enjoyed our talks. But don't expect thoughtful reasoned responses when you don't give them.

    Better that we talk about the issues than each other.

    The issue here is healthcare reform. No matter what I prefer, or anything anyone has said, UHC has not been proposed. And frankly I see nothing in any of your posts reflecting an ideology of personal responsibility. You do too much blaming others for that. The same can be sad for the Republican Party as well. The tea party and the 99% whatever's were all too incoherent and too often factually challenged to be effective. We'd be better as a country if we could disagree without going off the deep end. The problem with this country is not liberal thought. It's not conservative thought either. It's polarization beyond reason, and an overall lack of reason across the board.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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