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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't care if you think Obama is a liar.

    And I told you we will adapt to doctors, and showed you through links that we're already using other health professionals (which lowers costs BTW), and that you're overstating the problem. I also showed you how UHC fixes all those problems. So, repeating your mantra won't change this.
    Your opinion noted and I know you don't care if I think Obama is a liar but millions of Americans who lose their doctors and their healthcare plan will, we haven't adapted in MA and there is no assurance we will adapt at the Federal level and if we do how long will it take? "WE" have never adapted to eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse of the Federal Govt. and never will until we get rid of all this current crop of Representatives in Congress especially the leadership. You have showed theory and we have seen how liberal theory works. you ignore the results and continue to buy the rhetoric.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They arent.
    they are. Hands down.

    These 21 graphs (one of them you'll see above) from the International Federation of Health Plans, via Ezra Klein, start to paint the picture. The average routine office visit in the U.S. is three-times more expensive than in Canada. The average CT scan is five-times more expensive than in Canada. And as a share of GDP, our health care costs are an ignominious colossus towering over the rest of the world:

    Why Is American Health Care So Ridiculously Expensive? - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic

    Many of the countries that spend the most per capita on health care have highly privatized systems. In the U.S. and Switzerland, which spend the most and third-most on health care, respectively, the government pays less than 65% of the total health care costs. In most of the countries in the developed world, public expenditure accounts for at least 70% of total costs.

    10 Countries Spending The Most On Health Care: 24/7 Wall St.

    WINSTON-SALEM, N.C., Feb. 3 (UPI) -- A U.S. health economist says Americans think their healthcare system is the most advanced in the world, but it is merely the most expensive.

    Michael Lawlor, a professor of economics and health policy Wake Forest University said the cost of U.S. healthcare services is extremely high and average American consumers, even if covered, do not get a greater quantity of healthcare services or even more convenience for the high cost they pay compared to the average developed country. They simply pay more for each unit of that quantity, Lawlor said.

    Read more: Expert: U.S. healthcare the most expensive in the world, not best - UPI.com


    Just the first three links of a search. There's no excuse for you not knowing better.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your opinion noted and I know you don't care if I think Obama is a liar but millions of Americans who lose their doctors and their healthcare plan will, we haven't adapted in MA and there is no assurance we will adapt at the Federal level and if we do how long will it take? "WE" have never adapted to eliminating the waste, fraud, and abuse of the Federal Govt. and never will until we get rid of all this current crop of Representatives in Congress especially the leadership. You have showed theory and we have seen how liberal theory works. you ignore the results and continue to buy the rhetoric.
    If their doctor drops them, their doctor is not worth having. But that doesn't change the facts I've given you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    they are. Hands down.

    These 21 graphs (one of them you'll see above) from the International Federation of Health Plans, via Ezra Klein, start to paint the picture. The average routine office visit in the U.S. is three-times more expensive than in Canada. The average CT scan is five-times more expensive than in Canada. And as a share of GDP, our health care costs are an ignominious colossus towering over the rest of the world:

    Why Is American Health Care So Ridiculously Expensive? - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic

    Many of the countries that spend the most per capita on health care have highly privatized systems. In the U.S. and Switzerland, which spend the most and third-most on health care, respectively, the government pays less than 65% of the total health care costs. In most of the countries in the developed world, public expenditure accounts for at least 70% of total costs.

    10 Countries Spending The Most On Health Care: 24/7 Wall St.

    WINSTON-SALEM, N.C., Feb. 3 (UPI) -- A U.S. health economist says Americans think their healthcare system is the most advanced in the world, but it is merely the most expensive.

    Michael Lawlor, a professor of economics and health policy Wake Forest University said the cost of U.S. healthcare services is extremely high and average American consumers, even if covered, do not get a greater quantity of healthcare services or even more convenience for the high cost they pay compared to the average developed country. They simply pay more for each unit of that quantity, Lawlor said.

    Read more: Expert: U.S. healthcare the most expensive in the world, not best - UPI.com


    Just the first three links of a search. There's no excuse for you not knowing better.
    Oh, Wow, is all I can say, we need the Federal Govt. setting prices in a private sector economy? Of course that wouldn't be for your industry, right? These articles ignore the basics of business economics and that is what really drives up cost but that doesn't matter to big govt. liberals. Govt. regulations, govt. requirements, individual taxes, education costs, malpractice insurance obviously have no place in the cost structures in that liberal world so what the liberals would do is destroy it and replace it with a program that the govt. controls and a program where there is no incentive or competition.

    I find people like you naive, gullible, and willing to buy articles like you posted without delving into those articles and questioning their findings. Until you understand the effects of govt. on pricing you will always remain a tool for the left.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Oh, Wow, is all I can say, we need the Federal Govt. setting prices in a private sector economy? Of course that wouldn't be for your industry, right? These articles ignore the basics of business economics and that is what really drives up cost but that doesn't matter to big govt. liberals. Govt. regulations, govt. requirements, individual taxes, education costs, malpractice insurance obviously have no place in the cost structures in that liberal world so what the liberals would do is destroy it and replace it with a program that the govt. controls and a program where there is no incentive or competition.

    I find people like you naive, gullible, and willing to buy articles like you posted without delving into those articles and questioning their findings. Until you understand the effects of govt. on pricing you will always remain a tool for the left.
    Setting prices? No. Like your insurance company and saying what they will pay, sure. You will always be free to buy more. You might consider doing more investigating than listening to a skewed propaganda machine.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Setting prices? No. Like your insurance company and saying what they will pay, sure. You will always be free to buy more. You might consider doing more investigating than listening to a skewed propaganda machine.
    Don't have to listen to propaganda but rather will let you do it, I look for results and when I do I see waste, fraud, and abuse that liberals like you said we would clean up many times in the past but never have. Now you want the govt. to implement another entitlement program and set prices which is a prescription for disaster. You have no idea what you are talking about and totally ignore the costs associated with U.S. Healthcare directly attributed to by the U.S. Govt.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If their doctor drops them, their doctor is not worth having. But that doesn't change the facts I've given you.
    Yes, it makes Obama's statement a lie but that doesn't matter because you have been brainwashed by an ideology. I had my doctor for over 21 years and now he has dropped Medicare. Try telling me why he isn't worth having? Tell that to the millions of Americans who will lose their doctor or their healthcare. Sure am glad you know what is worth having.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Don't have to listen to propaganda but rather will let you do it, I look for results and when I do I see waste, fraud, and abuse that liberals like you said we would clean up many times in the past but never have. Now you want the govt. to implement another entitlement program and set prices which is a prescription for disaster. You have no idea what you are talking about and totally ignore the costs associated with U.S. Healthcare directly attributed to by the U.S. Govt.
    Well, you must be opposed to private business and large corporations as well, as they have waste, fraud, and abuse as well. you have a limited work area with those standards if instead of trying to root those out, you just say we can't do it.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, it makes Obama's statement a lie but that doesn't matter because you have been brainwashed by an ideology. I had my doctor for over 21 years and now he has dropped Medicare. Try telling me why he isn't worth having? Tell that to the millions of Americans who will lose their doctor or their healthcare. Sure am glad you know what is worth having.
    So, you don't like Obama. I get that. Do a better job of picking a candidate. But that has little to do with the issue before us. so, again, why would you want a doctor who won't see you? And if you're as well off as you say, just pay him.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, you must be opposed to private business and large corporations as well, as they have waste, fraud, and abuse as well. you have a limited work area with those standards if instead of trying to root those out, you just say we can't do it.
    When a business has waste, fraud, and abuse they go out of business as you will find out when you form your JV. when the govt. has waste, fraud, and abuse they print or borrow more money and people like you support more taxpayer spending. Just think of the windfall the bureaucrats will get with Obamacare funding. Anyone think that will be efficiently used?

    Non one says it cannot be done only that it won't be done because a 3.77 trillion dollar govt. is far from efficient

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