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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So then why not deal with those issues specifically? Why control every other aspect of my health? Thats exactly the point being made here. Limited govt which deals with specific problems, vs big govt which dictates your entire life.
    No one is now nor has proposed n any way control all of health care. No one.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I haven't told anyone. Focus.
    Oh, I have focused, you are playing a game here. Of course you haven't told anyone for like all liberals you are an expert on every topic even though you have never run a business in your life.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Oh, I have focused, you are playing a game here. Of course you haven't told anyone for like all liberals you are an expert on every topic even though you have never run a business in your life.
    You're inaccurate here.

    1) Fact: I have not told anyone what they should pay.

    2) what makes you think I haven't run any business?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Some are, yes. Most aren't getting rich, and they have been targeted by Fox and others as leaches and the like. However, read the part you but in bold. Allow me to highlight a key word:

    . . . . OR . . .

    So, a teacher, a firefighter, or a policeman aren't getting rich? Well, rudy poo! Neither am I, and I deliver the food YOU eat. Should I start crying that big daddy federal government doesn't give me enough of YOUR money?

    According to Payscale.com the average salaries of teachers is

    Job
    National Salary Data (?)
    $0 $16K $32K $48K
    High School Teacher
    4661 salaries
    $44,434
    Elementary School Teacher
    4342 salaries
    $40,701
    Middle School Teacher
    1866 salaries
    $42,653
    Special Education Teacher, Preschool, Kindergarten, or Elementary School
    926 salaries
    $41,441
    Special Education Teacher, Secondary School
    399 salaries
    $45,455
    Special Education Teacher, Middle School
    288 salaries
    $43,696
    Secondary School Teacher
    282 salaries
    $41,486
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    Country: United States | Currency: USD | Updated: 15 Aug 2013 | Individuals Reporting: 13,319
    All over $40K

    Firefighters -

    $25,259 - $71,823
    (Median)
    0 25K 31K 42K 56K 72K
    MEDIAN: $42,011
    10% 25% 50% 75% 90%
    Median income $42K

    Policeman -

    $25,259 - $71,823
    (Median)
    0 25K 31K 42K 56K 72K
    MEDIAN: $42,011
    10% 25% 50% 75% 90%
    median salary $42K

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    Now this is not to mention the retirement packages many of these employees enjoy, along with superior health insurance, and bonus benefits...

    Now, the average median income in the US is right at about $42K per year, so these professions are based on salary alone, right in the solid middle class, but add in their benefits, and they are well above the same person making $42K in the non government world, and teachers/firefighters/policemen make well more than the average citizen.

    For you to try and claim that they are poor is just plain laughable, and not credible at all.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're inaccurate here.

    1) Fact: I have not told anyone what they should pay.

    2) what makes you think I haven't run any business?
    Your posts say it all about you, you don't seem to have any concept of how business runs

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, a teacher, a firefighter, or a policeman aren't getting rich? Well, rudy poo! Neither am I, and I deliver the food YOU eat. Should I start crying that big daddy federal government doesn't give me enough of YOUR money?

    According to Payscale.com the average salaries of teachers is



    All over $40K

    Firefighters -



    Median income $42K

    Policeman -



    median salary $42K

    PayScale - Salary Comparison, Salary Survey, Search Wages

    Now this is not to mention the retirement packages many of these employees enjoy, along with superior health insurance, and bonus benefits...

    Now, the average median income in the US is right at about $42K per year, so these professions are based on salary alone, right in the solid middle class, but add in their benefits, and they are well above the same person making $42K in the non government world, and teachers/firefighters/policemen make well more than the average citizen.

    For you to try and claim that they are poor is just plain laughable, and not credible at all.
    40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

    How much money do you need to live comfortably?

    According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

    The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Your posts say it all about you, you don't seem to have any concept of how business runs
    How many times do you need to error?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

    How much money do you need to live comfortably?

    According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

    The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year
    That sounds ridiculously too high. I don't make near that, and live very comfortably with basics, extras, savings, 2 new cars, a big house, and 3 kids.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

    How much money do you need to live comfortably?

    According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

    The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year
    So now you are an expert on living comfortably? Doesn't it depend on where you live with that 40k a year? So you think that the Federal Govt. should decide where people live and what is a comfortable income?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

    How much money do you need to live comfortably?

    According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

    The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year
    Where in a free society are you guaranteed to "live comfortably"???

    And this article of yours, are you kidding here? So, if I don't have enough to as the article puts it, "spend frivolously" then I am poor? What kind of 'woe is me' type of clap trap is this?

    You know, you liberals pushed NAFTA, and Clinton signed it into law saying that opening up global markets was the way of the future, and further stated that the US could survive as a consumer society instead of a manufacturing based one, and everyone's lives would be OH so much better when they didn't have to work in those dirty factories, making paltry wages, while making "the man" rich....Then liberals started attacking business through regulation, and taxation until they jumped on board with the new global economy and moved away from the heavy regulation, and high taxation, and you blamed it on them because you think that making a profit is somehow a bad thing. Now you think that a shrunk tax base, terminal unemployment, and ever increasing attacks on wealth in this nation is somehow, magically going to solve what ills us...How butt stupid does one have to be?

    The path to prosperity is NOT to lower all boats to a level of near poverty, but to provide the opportunity to raise ones boat to wealth through hard work and innovation. Your ideas kill this, and you do so unwittingly by blindly following guilt laden, elitist, Bourgeoisie liberals that think their failed over, and over policies will somehow work for the little people, while they have NO intention of following them for themselves...I am sick of it!
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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