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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the average person also doesn't want to pay more at every level of care than anyone else in the world with poorer outcomes. The PPACA is a POS, though. Hopefully we'll enact real reform before we go bankrupt clinging to the false idea that an essential service with inelastic demand can be efficiently delivered by the market.
    Why do you think medical services are essential?

    Why do you think the market cannot handle any good or service we want?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Good question. Water delivery is always a public utility. And, the fed has done it's share of water regulation in the South via TVA and out West, where they built aqueducts so all those fruit and vegetable farms could thrive.
    Its not always a public utility. In fact, many people dig wells on their own property and provide their own water. Most of us accept that we have to pay whoever supplies the water (city, private, whatever). But not healthcare? That has to be federally controlled, and we have to be forced to get it? Why dont people talk about a constitutional right to water, food, a roof, clothing? These are all more important than healthcare, yet the federal govt doesnt spend a trillion dollars and a century of laws making sure every person in the US has access to a roof.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its not always a public utility. In fact, many people dig wells on their own property and provide their own water. Most of us accept that we have to pay whoever supplies the water (city, private, whatever). But not healthcare? That has to be federally controlled, and we have to be forced to get it? Why dont people talk about a constitutional right to water, food, a roof, clothing? These are all more important than healthcare, yet the federal govt doesnt spend a trillion dollars and a century of laws making sure every person in the US has access to a roof.
    Seems most industrial nations do just that. As mentioned, Canada, all of Western Europe, Australia, Japan, and Taiwan have universal government healthcare. We're a bit behind on that issue. But, I suspect we won't be forever.

    The weird thing is that when healthcare gets expensive, in old age, we have a single payer system called Medicare. But, for some reason, there is a big push against it for healthier younger people. Makes no sense.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Yep. They sure are. I can clearly see positions to the Left and to the Right of those stances.
    You may see some positions clearly to the left, yeah, since they're at the tip of your nose, but to see the ones on the right you need the Hubble.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Seems most industrial nations do just that. As mentioned, Canada, all of Western Europe, Australia, Japan, and Taiwan have universal government healthcare. We're a bit behind on that issue. But, I suspect we won't be forever.

    The weird thing is that when healthcare gets expensive, in old age, we have a single payer system called Medicare. But, for some reason, there is a big push against it for healthier younger people. Makes no sense.
    But my point was why liberals focus on healthcare specifically? Why is THAT the federal govts role and not everything else?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You may see some positions clearly to the left, yeah, since they're at the tip of your nose, but to see the ones on the right you need the Hubble.
    No. That's just your distorted RW vision.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But my point was why liberals focus on healthcare specifically? Why is THAT the federal govts role and not everything else?
    Why do Right Wingers want us to be more backwards than other industrial nations? That's the real question, IMO.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But my point was why liberals focus on healthcare specifically? Why is THAT the federal govts role and not everything else?
    Ah ... you employ the Socratic method by asking the question to lead the lefties into acknowledging the truth thereby hoping to make reality dawn on them, all the while knowing the answer yourself.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

    It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

    The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
    Wow, who knew you thought so much of Reid. What he says is the gospel. He'll be glad to hear he has your support.



    It the real world, he's right that it should not be seen as the end of the effort. And while I would strongly support a move toward a single payer system. Tat said, just wanting us to do the right thing doesn't mean we will. So lets not get too hyperbolic. I mean if you can refrain.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Why do Right Wingers want us to be more backwards than other industrial nations? That's the real question, IMO.
    Nice dodge, but Ill bit. Because we beleive freedom is more important than anything. Im happy to have that debate if you disagree. See how simple that was? Why cant liberals answer in the same way?

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