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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Like fire and police, it is also a communal issue.
    Neither of those are neccesarily a communal issue. Deciding what is a communal issue is a communal issue. It shouldnt be dictated by authority.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, I'm worried about you. I'm not in a corner. Do you even read posts? You seem to have no idea what's going on. He made a factual error. I corrected him. He started dancing. Please make sure you know what's going before replying. It'll make things much easier and more rational.
    More dishonesty...tsk, tsk....
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Now you know I linked more than the stimulus.
    You also ignore and always will the role of the state and federal governments making it impossible for anyone to tell the difference. There was no requirement that Obama throw money at the states but he did and people like you applauded it. Some people simply cannot understand that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt paid for by about 250 billion a year in debt service that serves no one but that is ok, create another entitlement program and drive that up so we can have that utopia that you seem to think exists.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    You also ignore and always will the role of the state and federal governments making it impossible for anyone to tell the difference. There was no requirement that Obama throw money at the states but he did and people like you applauded it. Some people simply cannot understand that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt paid for by about 250 billion a year in debt service that serves no one but that is ok, create another entitlement program and drive that up so we can have that utopia that you seem to think exists.
    Well, I think there was a more cynical method to his madness at the time...Remember when they bailed out the banks, all the progressives were screaming that the banks had to do what Obama said because they took the money? Well, I think he tried to expand that line of thinking to the states, and it failed ultimately in that aspect of it.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You also ignore and always will the role of the state and federal governments making it impossible for anyone to tell the difference. There was no requirement that Obama throw money at the states but he did and people like you applauded it. Some people simply cannot understand that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt paid for by about 250 billion a year in debt service that serves no one but that is ok, create another entitlement program and drive that up so we can have that utopia that you seem to think exists.
    It is not Obama (or presidents alone), but our congress critters, that allow more federal spending than federal taxation. Obama may completely agree that it is OK to spend more than he dare ask for in direct taxation, but he alone cannot make that decision. The republicants always talk of balancing the federal budget but refuse to actually do so. A majority of our congress critters clapped like trained seals when Reagan, Clinton, both Bushes and Obama asked them to spend more than federal taxation supported.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It is not Obama (or presidents alone), but our congress critters, that allow more federal spending than federal taxation. Obama may completely agree that it is OK to spend more than he dare ask for in direct taxation, but he alone cannot make that decision. The republicants always talk of balancing the federal budget but refuse to actually do so. A majority of our congress critters clapped like trained seals when Reagan, Clinton, both Bushes and Obama asked them to spend more than federal taxation supported.
    Our politicians have learned that they can create a permanent job by buying votes and never really doing their job. That is why I love the state of TX with its part time legislature which is what our Founders envisioned. I am a strong believer in a Congress that lives and works out of its home state and is responsive to the people for their actions. I never supported term limits at the Federal Level but that has sure grown on me. It is time to clean house but that isn't going to happen. It really is too bad that our bureaucrats keep running for their next election vs. doing the job they were hired to do. I have no use for either party but realize that at least the Republican Party today is closer to my point of view than the Democrat Party

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Neither of those are neccesarily a communal issue. Deciding what is a communal issue is a communal issue. It shouldnt be dictated by authority.
    Really, if your neighbor's house catches fire, and you live close, I bet it could spill over. As can crime and health.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    More dishonesty...tsk, tsk....
    On your part yes. Huge on your part.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You also ignore and always will the role of the state and federal governments making it impossible for anyone to tell the difference. There was no requirement that Obama throw money at the states but he did and people like you applauded it. Some people simply cannot understand that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt paid for by about 250 billion a year in debt service that serves no one but that is ok, create another entitlement program and drive that up so we can have that utopia that you seem to think exists.
    I've ignored nothing. You made a statement that was false. I showed it to be false. It's just that simple.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've ignored nothing. You made a statement that was false. I showed it to be false. It's just that simple.
    What is very simple is the reality that you don't understand the basic role of the state and federal governments. Anything that you want that isn't funded by the state you fight for the Federal Govt. to mandate it. Too bad you don't have that same passion for fiscal and personal responsibilities.

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