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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Living in poverty gives you access to Medicaid or other state programs. You do not need a Federal Program to handle those in the states with problems. Again, why hasn't your state implemented a UHC like MA?
    Please. They weren't being handled. And the states right have not dealt with health in most states effectively. UHC would do the job better.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Please. They weren't being handled. And the states right have not dealt with health in most states effectively. UHC would do the job better.
    That is your opinion and certainly not your responsibility. We live in a country of 50 sovereign states and if the states aren't doing the job then it is up to the citizens to solve the problem, not the Federal Govt. Every state is different and has different cost structures including tax structures. The one size fits all Federal Program will be no different than Medicare and SS which is a huge unfunded liability. If you want a UHC then work through your state. There is no need for another Federal entitlement program in a country with a 17 trillion dollar debt.

    You don't seem to comprehend that this is a state issue since state residents pay for the uninsured. The Federal bureaucrats have brainwashed you into believing they have the solutions. The solutions rest in the states with the doctors, the citizens, and the state govt.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion and certainly not your responsibility. We live in a country of 50 sovereign states and if the states aren't doing the job then it is up to the citizens to solve the problem, not the Federal Govt. Every state is different and has different cost structures including tax structures. The one size fits all Federal Program will be no different than Medicare and SS which is a huge unfunded liability. If you want a UHC then work through your state. There is no need for another Federal entitlement program in a country with a 17 trillion dollar debt.

    You don't seem to comprehend that this is a state issue since state residents pay for the uninsured. The Federal bureaucrats have brainwashed you into believing they have the solutions. The solutions rest in the states with the doctors, the citizens, and the state govt.
    The states are not completely sovereign. There are both state issues and federal issues.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The states are not completely sovereign. There are both state issues and federal issues.
    Yes, but since healthcare is a personal responsibility it should rest where it is closest to the people. You have yet to give a valid reason why we need another Federal Entitlement program taking power away from the people of the states who currently are paying most of the uninsured bills. For some reason you believe that responsibility lies with the Federal Govt. and another question which you won't answer is why? If the people of the state aren't willing to provide UHC, why should the Federal Govt. force it on them?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Yes, but since healthcare is a personal responsibility it should rest where it is closest to the people. You have yet to give a valid reason why we need another Federal Entitlement program taking power away from the people of the states who currently are paying most of the uninsured bills. For some reason you believe that responsibility lies with the Federal Govt. and another question which you won't answer is why? If the people of the state aren't willing to provide UHC, why should the Federal Govt. force it on them?
    Like fire and police, it is also a communal issue.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Like fire and police, it is also a communal issue.
    The Federal Govt. doesn't pay for the fire or police. You really need to learn what your taxes fund.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The Federal Govt. doesn't pay for the fire or police. You really need to learn what your taxes fund.
    Mostly correct, though the states do get federal dollars for them, and there are some federal regulations. But it states were found to not address those issues over an extended period of time, as with healthcare, and people fought to get the Feds to address it, bet the Feds would.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The Federal Govt. doesn't pay for the fire or police. You really need to learn what your taxes fund.
    Who do think kept them employed through this last recession?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Mostly correct, though the states do get federal dollars for them, and there are some federal regulations. But it states were found to not address those issues over an extended period of time, as with healthcare, and people fought to get the Feds to address it, bet the Feds would.
    That my friend is the responsibility of the citizens of the state, not yours or anyone else at the Federal level. Your problem is you cannot sell it so like with all other things you want, if you cannot get it done at the state level you demand the Federal Govt. do it. The minority fought to get the Feds involved and apparently the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Sorry but like you those who believe UHC at the Federal Level are brainwashed and ignore results.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Who do think kept them employed through this last recession?
    That is your opinion, what the stimulus did was bailout teacher's unions, not police and fire departments. Not sure where you get your information but seems to me you lack a basic civics education as to the real role of the Federal Govt.

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