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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    You don't seem to know the difference between being coerced by the power of the state to imprison and otherwise punish and acting in one's own free will. You think people should share their good fortune so you will MAKE THEM DO IT. It is the mentality and morality of the common thief.
    And you don't seem to understand the difference between principle and excuses. No one should be making anyone do anything. No one should have to. That's really the whole point. You don't want the rest of the population making you contribute... so you won't have to contribute. That's all you're fighting for. Your own selfish gain while others suffer.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    By my logic, Congress passed it because Nancy Pelosi and Dingy Harry steamrollered it through over the objections, not only of the American people, but of their own members, many of whom [in the House] wound up losing their seats as a result.
    That's kind of contrary to what you said before...

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman
    Because THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES. And why didn't they have the votes? Because THE COUNTRY DOESN'T WANT IT.
    You had previously contended that our congress apparently votes as the public wishes. I just disagree. I contend that they vote as their campaign donors tell them to and then make a lot of noise about social bull**** as smoke and mirrors.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    How glib. There was a lot of concern about follow on attacks at the time. Yes, the President was a Republican, but I don't recall a lot of resistance from Democrats about the initial counterterrorism measures right on through the invasion of Afghanistan and operations in the Horn of Africa, the Trans Sahara, and the Philippines. It wasn't until Bush started talking about Iraq that any push back to speak of developed, after we had been free of major attacks on the homeland for 18 months or so.
    You just answered the question--there've been no attacks for years. The Arabs don't have to means to sustain 911 type pressure. We overreacted out of fear, which is understandable. That we kept doing it is not.

    I never said the initial response was bad, it's the ongoing WOT that's silly. The patriot act, arming LEO to the hilt, the loss of freedom, the total lockdown in airports and militarization at our southern border, complete with checkpoints along I-10 that snare mostly American citizens carrying a little pot. Those things are nuts.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    End care is not the same thing. TRICARE includes a healthcare option where you go to a government hospital, see a government doctor, and get government own drugs. The means of production of healthcare is government owned. MEDICARE doesn't have this.

    If people were actually afraid of Socialized Healthcare, they'd be first calling to turn TRICARE entirely private. You don't see this. Because they're hypocrites. Or stupid. Or ignorant.
    You do see this, in a round about way. It has to be round about because there is no other option.

    Many people authorized Tricare don't use it. Being it is a government program, it operates under government rules. Wait times for care can be much longer as patients are seen on a priority basis for the same illness. If you are lucky, no problem, you get seen in a reasonable time frame. If not, well, to bad. Funding is always an issue toward the end of the fiscal year. Treatments and procedures, even some medicines can be postponed just to wait on a few fiscal date. The list goes on and on.

    I don't think the average person really knows all that much about getting all their healthcare handled by a government agency. If they did, most probably would have been and would be a lot more vocal in their opposition to Obamacare and whatever dimwit government idea on healthcare it is that follows it. look at the games that were played in the funding of Medicare just to get Obamacare to pass. Well, unless things change, it will be games such as those played on people every year except to an even larger scale. Bad ideas don't get better with time.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Water is a public resource. If you want privatized water, see how well that worked out for Texas.
    A Texan tragedy: Plenty of oil, but no water | The Raw Story
    But its not a FEDERAL resource. Water is more important than healthcare, so why does the federal govt control healthcare and not water? Why arent cities, counties, states responsible for healthcare of their communities, just like they are for water?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What is it with this weird idea that liberals are all broke? Unemployment is substantially lower in red states than in blue states. People who are not selfish or afraid support single payer systems. Decent people who experience good fortune share their fortune with others, not hoard it because they're afraid of other people taking it away. Really dude, you need to stop raging against these fictional liberal boogeymen. There's real people, who are mostly decent folks, who believe in a more egalitarian system. Don't spend all your time arguing against empty chairs. You end up just filling them with things you don't like, with the dark parts of your imagination. Whatever picture you have of liberals in your mind doesn't resemble any real people.
    What boogeymen? They are real people, in power, in washington. They spend their entire year trying to figure out how to take money from people who have it and give it to someone who doesnt. Every single dollar of revenue is now consumed by 'income support'. Most revenue comes from the top 5%, and almost all of it goes to everyone else. The President himself said we have to 'share the wealth'. Not the rich should share their wealth, but we, the people should share it for them.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But its not a FEDERAL resource. Water is more important than healthcare, so why does the federal govt control healthcare and not water? Why arent cities, counties, states responsible for healthcare of their communities, just like they are for water?
    Good question. Water delivery is always a public utility. And, the fed has done it's share of water regulation in the South via TVA and out West, where they built aqueducts so all those fruit and vegetable farms could thrive.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your "k" fetish is showing.

    People wonder why America is so polarized these days, and all we have to do is look at Zimmer's post here to see why. No attempt at grown up discussion, just insults and gratuitous K's.
    If you look beyond those things you do not like in his writing style you know, way down deep, that he is right.

    The Progressive counter-revolution against the US Constitution has reached its zenith. From this day forward liberals, progressives, socialists, statists and Marxists may win some battles but not the war.

    We have a path forward to roll back the federal leviathan. I am eager for the battles ahead. I relish the day of your defeat.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because conservatives want to rewrite history:

    Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all (#3 of 6) - PNHP's Official Blog
    Healthcare-NOW! - Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer
    What do Americans really want for healthcare insurance? Single Payer | If Liz were Queen

    I know that the right wing likes to get itself in a frenzy over the socialist boogeyman, but most Americans don't ignore obviously good reforms just because paranoid wingnuts slap a label on it and call it socialist. The rest of the first world calls it common sense. And, of course, to non-frothy wacko types,
    socialist doesn't mean evil. It just means different.
    No. It means evil.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    This forum would go up in IQ if people started using words based on their actual definitions rather than defining things as they see fit with no regards to their meanings.

    I did find it funny how the same people who bash Obama on "socialism" were attacking his proposal to make TRICARE beneficiary fees higher. Obama actively tries to make Socialist medicine less socialist and he's attacked by the same people who decry Obamacare as Socialism. Obama Derangement syndrome is just as prevalent as Bush Derangement syndrome.
    Do you think Obama is pure socialist? Increasing fees is just one more means of punishing the military and those who served. There is room in his evil heart for two bad things at the same time.

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