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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Ok, it was just a diversion on you part. I should have known.
    He spins like a ****en top doesn't he?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    He spins like a ****en top doesn't he?
    Yes, yes he does.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    And what would happen to your IRA,s if the "economy collapses"?Would we bail out the failed IRA,s like we did the banks?
    Typically when economies collapse anything that is not actual wealth collapses too. Stocks in companies that sell things of value may be less harmed but all will be harmed.

    Imagine the day, and it will come, when no one will cash a social security check because it has no real value.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Kinda looks like Mitch and Rand got something besides Ham and eggs for breakfast this week.

    <The governor compared health insurance to "the safety net of crop insurance" and said farmers need both. He said 640,000 Kentuckians—15 percent of the state—don't have health insurance and "trust me, you know many of those 640,000 people. You're friends with them. You're probably related to them. Some may be your sons and daughters. You go to church with them. Shop with them. Help them harvest their fields. Sit in the stands with them as you watch your kids play football or basketball or ride a horse in competition. Heck, you may even be one of them.">

    Obamacare Showdown Over a Ham Breakfast in Kentucky - NationalJournal.com
    I suppose the follow up would be to ask the governor why Kentucky doesnt do something about Kentucky? Why is it 49 other state's problem?

    About half the audience burst into applause at that point while the other half sat on their hands. But he wasn't done. He cited a study that showed the law would inject about $15.6 billion into the Kentucky economy over eight years, create 17,000 new jobs, and generate $802 million for the state budget.
    By taking money from someone else. Same thing happens with agriculture subsidies. Is Kentucky just going to become one big welfare state?

    "It's amazing to me how people who are pouring time and money and energy into trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act sure haven't put that kind of energy into trying to improve the health of Kentuckians. And think of the decades that they have had to make some kind of difference," Beshear finished pointedly.
    I sure hope someone asked him why he didnt put so much energy in finding a local solution to a local problem instead of waiting on anyone else to take care of it.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I suppose the follow up would be to ask the governor why Kentucky doesnt do something about Kentucky? Why is it 49 other state's problem?



    By taking money from someone else. Same thing happens with agriculture subsidies. Is Kentucky just going to become one big welfare state?



    I sure hope someone asked him why he didnt put so much energy in finding a local solution to a local problem instead of waiting on anyone else to take care of it.
    What you are seeing here is typical liberalism where liberals cannot sell their ideas to the people of their state and thus want the Federal Govt. to force a national program to do it for them. The one size fits all program liberals love to promote ignores history as well as personal responsibilities. Liberals love to social engineer and throw more money at the problem as long as it is someone else's. Healthcare is indeed a problem but it is a local problem due to local costs and local social issues and to have the Federal Govt. implement a program on a national scale would be a disaster.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    What you are seeing here is typical liberalism where liberals cannot sell their ideas to the people of their state and thus want the Federal Govt. to force a national program to do it for them. The one size fits all program liberals love to promote ignores history as well as personal responsibilities. Liberals love to social engineer and throw more money at the problem as long as it is someone else's. Healthcare is indeed a problem but it is a local problem due to local costs and local social issues and to have the Federal Govt. implement a program on a national scale would be a disaster.
    And as usual, instead of addressing the problem they make emotional appeals. Thats the kind of leadership you get from liberals. Rand Paul makes a logical argument for freedom and personal responsibility, and how govt interference makes things worse. The governor has a pity party.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And as usual, instead of addressing the problem they make emotional appeals. Thats the kind of leadership you get from liberals. Rand Paul makes a logical argument for freedom and personal responsibility, and how govt interference makes things worse. The governor has a pity party.
    How do you think liberals keep getting elected, they buy votes by making promises and appealing to the heart and not the brain. With the low voter turnout those who are dependent are the ones showing up to vote in larger numbers and thus we get a dependent society that makes the liberal elite proud. I like your term, "the pity party" because that is appropriate. Appeal to people's hearts and never focus on the terrible results.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    And as usual, instead of addressing the problem they make emotional appeals. Thats the kind of leadership you get from liberals. Rand Paul makes a logical argument for freedom and personal responsibility, and how govt interference makes things worse. The governor has a pity party.
    As usual, hysterical stereotyping as apposed to addressing the PROBLEMS. The two major problems with healthcare are access and cost. Having a hodge podge system lends itself to costing more. What cost saving possible with ACA will come in market innovation, which is encouraged. However, more insured does create more and better access. So, it addresses one problem better than the other.

    But as best I can tell, the majority of the public is not willing to either of the things that would control costs: deny treatment or UHC. Of the two, I prefer UHC. But if you don't choose one or some serious restrictions of some kind, we will continue to lead the world in costs.

    Now, I haven't talk with you that much, but if you dance around like conservative, your next response will not address these, but merely talk about liberal and how lost they are.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As usual, hysterical stereotyping as apposed to addressing the PROBLEMS. The two major problems with healthcare are access and cost. Having a hodge podge system lends itself to costing more. What cost saving possible with ACA will come in market innovation, which is encouraged. However, more insured does create more and better access. So, it addresses one problem better than the other.

    But as best I can tell, the majority of the public is not willing to either of the things that would control costs: deny treatment or UHC. Of the two, I prefer UHC. But if you don't choose one or some serious restrictions of some kind, we will continue to lead the world in costs.

    Now, I haven't talk with you that much, but if you dance around like conservative, your next response will not address these, but merely talk about liberal and how lost they are.
    The problem currently is not ACCESS because everyone has access to healthcare either through ER or using Medicaid or other State program. You keep claiming that cost is a problem but since you don't pay healthcare costs in the State of TX why are you concerned? What is it about ACA that benefits you and your family? You cannot seem to address the problem in your own state and now want a Federal entitlement program to do it for you. As has been pointed out ignored single payer programs at the national level have only given the bureaucrats more money to spend and waste creating greater debt and entitlements.

    You want a UHC, then do it in your state, not force a Federal Program on others or at least put it on the ballot and let the people not the politicians decide

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As usual, hysterical stereotyping as apposed to addressing the PROBLEMS. The two major problems with healthcare are access and cost. Having a hodge podge system lends itself to costing more. What cost saving possible with ACA will come in market innovation, which is encouraged. However, more insured does create more and better access. So, it addresses one problem better than the other.

    But as best I can tell, the majority of the public is not willing to either of the things that would control costs: deny treatment or UHC. Of the two, I prefer UHC. But if you don't choose one or some serious restrictions of some kind, we will continue to lead the world in costs.

    Now, I haven't talk with you that much, but if you dance around like conservative, your next response will not address these, but merely talk about liberal and how lost they are.
    Ironic ad hominem is ironic.

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