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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Uhmm what history is boo ignoring?
    Failure.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In theory, yes, in reality, Medicare and SS are examples of how it actually works. You simply don't get it and never will because you cannot admit you are wrong. You think with your heart and not your brain. All liberal programs sound good in theory but are run by humans with agendas. Until you correct the problem giving the govt. more money to spend isn't the answer.
    According to SS trusties,the Social Security system has a large and growing surplus. When BOCARE gets a few years under its belt it will take some of the pressure off of Medicare,much like this report by the CBO does.

    Which estimates Medicare and Medicaid funding will be reduced by 15 percent or $200 billion by 2020.Which resulted in a premium reduction of 6% in 2012 and lower the annual deductible by $22 – a first in Medicare’s history. What’s not to like by these numbers?

    How does Obamacare affect my Medicare?: Linda Rhodes | PennLive.com
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    According to SS trusties,the Social Security system has a large and growing surplus. When BOCARE gets a few years under its belt it will take some of the pressure off of Medicare,much like this report by the CBO does.

    Which estimates Medicare and Medicaid funding will be reduced by 15 percent or $200 billion by 2020.Which resulted in a premium reduction of 6% in 2012 and lower the annual deductible by $22 – a first in Medicare’s history. What’s not to like by these numbers?

    How does Obamacare affect my Medicare?: Linda Rhodes | PennLive.com
    Please post any link to the SS Trustees showing a large and growing surplus? Not sure what SS Trustees you are using but probably some leftwing loons claiming to be SS trustees

    Trustees Report Summary


    When you have 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers and baby boomers retiring there is no way there is ever going to be a surplus.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Please post any link to the SS Trustees showing a large and growing surplus? Not sure what SS Trustees you are using but probably some leftwing loons claiming to be SS trustees

    Trustees Report Summary


    When you have 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers and baby boomers retiring there is no way there is ever going to be a surplus.
    From YOUR link.

    " The asset reserves of the combined trust funds were $2.7 trillion at the end of 2012. The trust fund reserves decline on a present value basis after 2012, but remain positive through 2032."
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    From YOUR link.

    " The asset reserves of the combined trust funds were $2.7 trillion at the end of 2012. The trust fund reserves decline on a present value basis after 2012, but remain positive through 2032."
    Assets include IOU's not cash, those IOU's have to be funded by cash. Where is the money going to come from to fund those IOU's? Do you know what an unfunded mandate is?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    From YOUR link.

    " The asset reserves of the combined trust funds were $2.7 trillion at the end of 2012. The trust fund reserves decline on a present value basis after 2012, but remain positive through 2032."
    SS IOU's don't seem to be something that you or most other liberals understand. Maybe this will explain it to you

    Social Security IOUs stashed away - Washington Times

    Included in that article is something you better take heed of and all other liberals touting the SS surplus

    Now the government will have to borrow even more money, much of it abroad, to start paying back the IOUs, and the timing couldn’t be worse. The government is projected to post a record $1.5 trillion budget deficit this year, followed by trillion-dollar deficits for years to come.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Assets include IOU's not cash, those IOU's have to be funded by cash. Where is the money going to come from to fund those IOU's? Do you know what an unfunded mandate is?

    Those IOU's are the same as an IOU to China for whatever.We make the bill we pay the bill...plus the juice which is 1.458 percent.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    Those IOU's are the same as an IOU to China for whatever.We make the bill we pay the bill...plus the juice which is 1.458 percent.
    I hope you are already drawing it. When the economy collapses the IOUs will be seen as just so much trash. There is no wealth to back up the paper. It is a Ponzi scheme and we are all its victims.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I hope you are already drawing it. When the economy collapses the IOUs will be seen as just so much trash. There is no wealth to back up the paper. It is a Ponzi scheme and we are all its victims.
    And what would happen to your IRA,s if the "economy collapses"?Would we bail out the failed IRA,s like we did the banks?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    Those IOU's are the same as an IOU to China for whatever.We make the bill we pay the bill...plus the juice which is 1.458 percent.
    Do you people ever admit you are wrong, your SS contribution has been spent, replaced with an IOU. Those IOU's are coming due and we are trillions in debt now so where does the money come from? The United States doesn't have the cash to fund those IOU's so they borrow the money or print the money, both hurt the value of the dollar. I hope you are smarter than you appear. Please tell me this is an act?

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