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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Sorry, your spin doesn't work.

    The one who controls the funds controls the product.
    Your total reliance on "I say so" doesn't convince anyone of anything you say.

    By your measure, home expenses that are run by one person are socialist.

    People need to stop defining words as they please and start using the words as they actually mean.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Your total reliance on "I say so" doesn't convince anyone of anything you say.

    By your measure, home expenses that are run by one person are socialist.

    People need to stop defining words as they please and start using the words as they actually mean.
    I haven't said anything about anything being socialist...so I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth.

    We are talking about the federal government here...not about private households...so that little bit of misdirection is dismissed.

    In any event, it is noticeable that you don't dispute my statement that "The one who controls the funds controls the product".
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What is it with this weird idea that liberals are all broke? Unemployment is substantially lower in red states than in blue states. People who are not selfish or afraid support single payer systems. Decent people who experience good fortune share their fortune with others, not hoard it because they're afraid of other people taking it away. Really dude, you need to stop raging against these fictional liberal boogeymen. There's real people, who are mostly decent folks, who believe in a more egalitarian system. Don't spend all your time arguing against empty chairs. You end up just filling them with things you don't like, with the dark parts of your imagination. Whatever picture you have of liberals in your mind doesn't resemble any real people.
    The biggest problem with your whole screed is the part I highlighted. You see, decent people who experience good fortune DO share with others...but they do it of their own free will. Not because some government entity tells them to do it.

    Liberals want the government to be in control...as we see with Obamacare...not the individual.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I haven't said anything about anything being socialist...so I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth.
    Let's recap how you fail.

    I argue on the basis of what Socialism is defined as, that merely regulating does not equate to Socialism.

    You called that spin and said this "The one who controls the funds controls the product."

    Therefore, you define whether or not something is Socialist on the basis of funding the product, regardless of whether it meets any of the actual definitions of Socialism.

    We are talking about the federal government here...not about private households...so that little bit of misdirection is dismissed.
    The US government funds the private deliveries to the ISS. Does that make Dragon X a private company Socialist when all of their funding comes form the Federal government? Let's see if you're going to rely on "I say so" to weasel out of that one.

    Even if you control the funds and thus the product specifications, that doesn't make it Socialist. Government puts out a bid for a product doing x, y, and z. Company fulfills that. Is that Socialism when the means of production are entirely owned by a private company?

    In any event, it is noticeable that you don't dispute my statement that "The one who controls the funds controls the product".
    Fail again. See above.

    People need to stop defining words as they please and start using the words as they actually mean.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Doesn't matter, I gave you the thread.



    What? What's the matter with you?! *shakes head*
    There are better odds of being struck by lightening in a subway than being blown up by terrorist in one. It's Right Wing pussies who feel we need to hand over our rights and fight a global war on terror because of that remote possibility.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yeah, only about 3000 people were killed on 9-11, but the attack had effects that went far beyond that, including devastating effects on our economy and well being. A series of terrorist attacks would have sustained effects of that nature.
    One attack, one, and the country cowers like a whipped puppy, handing away our rights like scared school children. And, guess who led the charge--the Right.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    And those are Centrist positions?
    Yep. They sure are. I can clearly see positions to the Left and to the Right of those stances.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The biggest problem with your whole screed is the part I highlighted. You see, decent people who experience good fortune DO share with others...but they do it of their own free will. Not because some government entity tells them to do it.

    Liberals want the government to be in control...as we see with Obamacare...not the individual.
    How exactly is supporting a program not of one's free will? Unless you personally pay for someone's bill at a hospital, it's not you doing it? The government only does what we tell it to. It doesn't tell you anything. Or is it because your free will is making you not support such a program? The only freedom you're arguing for is the freedom not to share your good fortune. As I said, decent people who experience good fortune share it with others.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    One attack, one, and the country cowers like a whipped puppy, handing away our rights like scared school children. And, guess who led the charge--the Right.
    How glib. There was a lot of concern about follow on attacks at the time. Yes, the President was a Republican, but I don't recall a lot of resistance from Democrats about the initial counterterrorism measures right on through the invasion of Afghanistan and operations in the Horn of Africa, the Trans Sahara, and the Philippines. It wasn't until Bush started talking about Iraq that any push back to speak of developed, after we had been free of major attacks on the homeland for 18 months or so.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    How exactly is supporting a program not of one's free will? Unless you personally pay for someone's bill at a hospital, it's not you doing it? The government only does what we tell it to. It doesn't tell you anything. Or is it because your free will is making you not support such a program? The only freedom you're arguing for is the freedom not to share your good fortune. As I said, decent people who experience good fortune share it with others.
    You don't seem to know the difference between being coerced by the power of the state to imprison and otherwise punish and acting in one's own free will. You think people should share their good fortune so you will MAKE THEM DO IT. It is the mentality and morality of the common thief.

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