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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You are avoiding the 800lb gorilla that conservative brought up....purposely I think.
    I haven't ignored anything. I think he's just pretending not to have gotten the answer. If you can't see the answer, ask and I'll answer you as well.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Increasing access to a waiting line, like Canada does, doesn't seem like much progress to me and certainly doesn't seem worth the enormous cost that ObamaCare will add.
    Thanks for parroting what you heard on Fox. Now try supporting both of these statements, if you can. You shouldn't make such statements if you can not support them.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I haven't ignored anything. I think he's just pretending not to have gotten the answer. If you can't see the answer, ask and I'll answer you as well.
    You were asked a direct question, and this is textbook deflection, and obfuscation. Now answer the question.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I haven't ignored anything. I think he's just pretending not to have gotten the answer. If you can't see the answer, ask and I'll answer you as well.
    You have never answered the question so here it is again

    Tell me why exactly we need Obamacare and how adding 14-30 million new insurance covered people is going to lower costs, improve access, and quality?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, yes, let's compare apples and oranges which you are good at doing. Any idea what criteria is being used to generate those stats? How does UHC help you and your family? I thought you were kidding but apparently not. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty and total ignorance of reality? You would give the U.S. Politicians that created a 17 trillion dollar debt control o 1/6 of the U.S. economy? They have to love having people like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have never answered the question so here it is again

    Tell me why exactly we need Obamacare and how adding 14-30 million new insurance covered people is going to lower costs, improve access, and quality?
    Apparently your solution to long wait times is fewer patients.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Pot calling the polar bear black.



    Apparently your solution to long wait times is fewer patients.
    My solution doesn't include a massive Federal Govt. entitlement program created by politicians who have generated a 17 trillion dollar debt and to reward them by giving them more control of more dollars.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Did you even read the article? Now answer the question

    Tell me why exactly we need Obamacare and how adding 14-30 million new insurance covered people is going to lower costs, improve access, and quality?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you even read the article? Now answer the question

    Tell me why exactly we need Obamacare and how adding 14-30 million new insurance covered people is going to lower costs, improve access, and quality?
    Yes, I read the article. We spend more, period. You claimed every other nation sees higher costs. Patently false. Germany has the shortest overall wait times, by the way, not the US. Another false claim for you.

    In theory, fewer ER visits can lower costs. You see, right now millions of uninsured people wait until a problem becomes catastrophic and then go to the ER where the costs are highest. Preventative measures would have been cheaper. Now, Obamacare leaves the fundamentally flawed insurance model we have intact, so I'm skeptical as to whether we'll actually see lower costs. Obamacare addresses coverage a lot more than it addresses cost.

    Improved access? 14-30 million people are going to have improved access. I guess you're not counting them?

    Quality? It's not like our medical schools suddenly become terrible or our technology suddenly devolves.

    Here's the wonderful thing about the free market: it can respond to changes in demand. Maybe you should start up a new medical equipment company, good time for it, right?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, I read the article. We spend more, period. You claimed every other nation sees higher costs. Patently false. Germany has the shortest overall wait times, by the way, not the US. Another false claim for you.

    In theory, fewer ER visits can lower costs. You see, right now millions of uninsured people wait until a problem becomes catastrophic and then go to the ER where the costs are highest. Preventative measures would have been cheaper. Now, Obamacare leaves the fundamentally flawed insurance model we have intact, so I'm skeptical as to whether we'll actually see lower costs. Obamacare addresses coverage a lot more than it addresses cost.

    Improved access? 14-30 million people are going to have improved access. I guess you're not counting them?

    Quality? It's not like our medical schools suddenly become terrible or our technology suddenly devolves.

    Here's the wonderful thing about the free market: it can respond to changes in demand. Maybe you should start up a new medical equipment company, good time for it, right?
    As usual you ignore reality, MA costs are up because of ER usage. More people in the system that is already plagued by a doctor shortage is going to put more pressure on the ER's because of fewer doctors and more patients. The Free Market is driven by incentive and when you reduce incentive you reduce supply. Very simple economics except to people who don't understand supply and demand.

    Here is a pretty good analysis of what drives costs in this country. Ignoring the effect of govt. regulations is what big govt. liberals always do.

    http://www.awhp-online.com/issues/AW...ts_7-26-04.pdf

    I am waiting for an explanation as to why you would reward a massive central govt. that has created a 17 trillion dollar debt by giving them more control of the economy?

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