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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Costs less - Nope

    Better access - ok, but with worse treatment and rationing.

    Linked to employment - not according to Obamacare.
    Cost less, yes. We spend more than everyone, so it does in fact cost less.

    No. We ration. Insurance companies (by your silly definition of rationing) ration. Not having enough money rations. So factual more people get better care.

    And the last one is for UHC, which Obama has not presented.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You said that things wouldn't change, CBO says you are wrong, costs are going up, and history of other countries shows that wait times are up, and MA shows that ER usage is up. The only so called benefit is everyone is insured, no assurance of quality improvements, no assurance that even with access that they can get an appointment or a doctor, no assurance at all that costs to the taxpayers will go down.

    In my working career, I operated on the principle that if you are 80% sure that a decision is the right one then make that decision. There isn't a person out there other than maybe the leftwing wacko who believes with a 80% certainty that things will be better under Obamacare.
    Not in terms of what we were talking about. You jump around, and seem to have trouble staying on topic.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not in terms of what we were talking about. You jump around, and seem to have trouble staying on topic.
    Seems you have a problem with reality and answering direct questions. Tell me why exactly we need Obamacare and how adding 14-30 million new insurance covered people is going to lower costs, improve access, and quality?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Seems you have a problem with reality and answering direct questions. Tell me why exactly we need Obamacare and how adding 14-30 million new insurance covered people is going to lower costs, improve access, and quality?
    I don't think we stop here. It really only addresses half the equation, as I've said. It helps improve access. I call on us to keep working to improve it. I argue UHC would improve it, tackling the cost as it is less expensive. How try not to ounce around.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think we stop here. It really only addresses half the equation, as I've said. It helps improve access. I call on us to keep working to improve it. I argue UHC would improve it, tackling the cost as it is less expensive. How try not to ounce around.
    How will increasing access lower costs and improve quality? Adding 14-30 million new participants has to be a logistics problem since all those uninsured are all over the country and we currently have a doctor shortage. How do we solve the other half of the problem now that you have access for everyone?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    None of that is the responsibility of the federal govt. Protection from invasion is.
    ...actually the general welfare clause is pretty board. This notion that the only function of the US government is only to provide for the common defence is amusing.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...actually the general welfare clause is pretty board. This notion that the only function of the US government is only to provide for the common defence is amusing.
    Yes, and we have a Federal Govt. that has grown in size and power learning that they can create a dependent class and thus keep power indefinitely by using that clause to buy votes.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How will increasing access lower costs and improve quality? Adding 14-30 million new participants has to be a logistics problem since all those uninsured are all over the country and we currently have a doctor shortage. How do we solve the other half of the problem now that you have access for everyone?
    Increasing access to a waiting line, like Canada does, doesn't seem like much progress to me and certainly doesn't seem worth the enormous cost that ObamaCare will add.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think we stop here. It really only addresses half the equation, as I've said. It helps improve access. I call on us to keep working to improve it. I argue UHC would improve it, tackling the cost as it is less expensive. How try not to ounce around.
    You are avoiding the 800lb gorilla that conservative brought up....purposely I think.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...actually the general welfare clause is pretty board. This notion that the only function of the US government is only to provide for the common defence is amusing.
    No it isn't really. If you understand the constitution the government is to promote the 'general welfare' of the nation within its enumerated powers under Section 1 article 8 of the constitution. Separating the the two, is to throw away the constitution itself.
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