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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    1. Earlier I wrote, "One must learn to be flexible. What term would you use to describe someone in the context of part black and part white? If it sounds better I will use it."


    Fail. Your response was unimaginative, not to mention incorrect. Has any communist or Marxist anywhere at anytime ever described themselves as gray?

    2. Obama is more Marxist/Red (2/3rds) than black (1/6th) or white (1/6th).
    You must live in your own world.
    1. A mix of black and white is grey. Sorry if you fail to see that.

    2. Obama is as much a Marxist as I am a Far Right, Christian Conservative. You obviously wouldn't know Marxism if it stood up and bit you in the ass.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. It'll be the same as it always has been under the ACA. Wealthy will do well, and working poor not so much.
    Better explain that to the CBO that states Obamacare costs will go up and will raise the deficit so if it is the same as it always has been why waste the money? We don't have another trillion dollars to add to the debt

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Better explain that to the CBO that states Obamacare costs will go up and will raise the deficit so if it is the same as it always has been why waste the money? We don't have another trillion dollars to add to the debt
    And of course you loved the CBO when it said the opposite.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And of course you loved the CBO when it said the opposite.
    No, using CBO which you seem to love and use when it benefits you. Never have been a fan of CBO and certainly no fan of Obamacare. CBO never said the opposite and always had a cost associated with it. You choose to ignore costs because all you care about is access. Seems access will benefit you financially in some way.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, using CBO which you seem to love and use when it benefits you. Never have been a fan of CBO and certainly no fan of Obamacare. CBO never said the opposite and always had a cost associated with it. You choose to ignore costs because all you care about is access. Seems access will benefit you financially in some way.
    Did I bring it up or you?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ok, so the state taxpayers are on the hook instead of federal. So? That's not any better, the costs are still being dumped on everyone else.
    Ok, so in that aspect what makes any UHC plan, or this monstrosity any better?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    You must live in your own world.
    1. A mix of black and white is grey. Sorry if you fail to see that.

    2. Obama is as much a Marxist as I am a Far Right, Christian Conservative. You obviously wouldn't know Marxism if it stood up and bit you in the ass.
    Obama is a progressive, and an extreme ideologue, and a liar, which is worse.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so in that aspect what makes any UHC plan, or this monstrosity any better?
    Costs less with better access and removes it from being linked to employment.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Costs less with better access and removes it from being linked to employment.
    Costs less - Nope

    Better access - ok, but with worse treatment and rationing.

    Linked to employment - not according to Obamacare.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Did I bring it up or you?
    You said that things wouldn't change, CBO says you are wrong, costs are going up, and history of other countries shows that wait times are up, and MA shows that ER usage is up. The only so called benefit is everyone is insured, no assurance of quality improvements, no assurance that even with access that they can get an appointment or a doctor, no assurance at all that costs to the taxpayers will go down.

    In my working career, I operated on the principle that if you are 80% sure that a decision is the right one then make that decision. There isn't a person out there other than maybe the leftwing wacko who believes with a 80% certainty that things will be better under Obamacare.

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