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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    This is how it doesn't work. And nobody got fired for it, either. Even after four years, it still outrages me that this could happen to any child in this country.
    Heh. Note that they don't call the concept of government healthcare, in this case single payer health care, into question. They just complain about inadequate funding.

    Well, join the crowd. Every single payer system in the world, Canada, Great Briton, the US VA, and on and on, is inadequately funded, some just more so than others.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So? I never said TRICARE as a whole as Socialized. I said part of TRICARE was. You have an option to use totally socialized medicine under TRICARE and people do. My Uncle gets all his healthcare that way. Goes down to the military base, goes to a military hospital, sees a military doctor, so on and so forth.
    Are you talking about the VA?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
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    Yeah, only about 3000 people were killed on 9-11, but the attack had effects that went far beyond that, including devastating effects on our economy and well being. A series of terrorist attacks would have sustained effects of that nature.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Single payer doesn't necessitate that government owns the hospitals, employes the doctors and makes the drugs. Fundamentally, single payer is merely a payment conduit. Furthermore, if your sole real measure of socialism is regulation, then banks are Socialist as they're heavily regulated. Insurance as well. Frankly anything that's "heavily" (whatever that means) is therefore Socialist. Furthermore, single payer can incorporate private insurance within it and any extras are supplemental, thus suggesting that the rich won't do what you claim.

    People need to stop defining words as they please and start using the words as they actually mean.
    Sorry, your spin doesn't work.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    1. At a cost of $6K to 15k for insuring a family, I'd say that's pretty easy to answer. No. Most people do not have access to affordable healthcare, and it has become a huge burden on businesses to provide health insurance to their employees.

    2. Affordable would be free healthcare paid for by taxes.

    3. Cutting wasteful spending on border security we don't need and building additional aircraft carrier groups on top of the 10 or so we already have would go a long way toward helping to pay the cost.
    1. Insurance is not health care. Insurance is simply one means of paying for health care. I think we are talking about two different things here. So...you decide what you want to talk about when you refer to affordable health care, eh?

    2. "Free"..."Paid for by taxes". You ever heard of TANSTAAFL?

    3. Sounds like you are comfortable reducing spending on Constitutionally mandated responsibilities of our government in order to fund some nice thing the government can do for the people. I think your priorities are skewed.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
    Nonsense, show me credible evidence that the majority want a single payer system. Only people who want something for nothing go for those systems.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Nonsense, show me credible evidence that the majority want a single payer system. Only people who want something for nothing go for those systems.
    Yet, sadly, that is fast becoming the majority of the people - precisely the "fundamental transformation of America" that Obama has in mind.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet, sadly, that is fast becoming the majority of the people - precisely the "fundamental transformation of America" that Obama has in mind.
    Maybe, but that racist only wants a certain group of people to be on the receiving end. Remember, social justice is the goal.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Nonsense, show me credible evidence that the majority want a single payer system. Only people who want something for nothing go for those systems.
    What is it with this weird idea that liberals are all broke? Unemployment is substantially lower in red states than in blue states. People who are not selfish or afraid support single payer systems. Decent people who experience good fortune share their fortune with others, not hoard it because they're afraid of other people taking it away. Really dude, you need to stop raging against these fictional liberal boogeymen. There's real people, who are mostly decent folks, who believe in a more egalitarian system. Don't spend all your time arguing against empty chairs. You end up just filling them with things you don't like, with the dark parts of your imagination. Whatever picture you have of liberals in your mind doesn't resemble any real people.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Are you talking about the VA?
    VA and TRICARE are different programs as to my knowledge. You can get dual coverage on them, but they are not the same.
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