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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Then prove me wrong, show me where you have criticized Bush. Oh yeah, you can't. Show me that I'm lying with PROOF.

    You're comments are what's pathetic.
    No, yours are. How about you simply pay attention to when I joined the forum, and tell me if Bush was in office. Oh, yeah, now you are looking even more silly. Keep it up.
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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Remember the following idiocy from our Miss Amerika Candidate back in 2007? Now... if Obama is true to his word, if he is so wise and had such tremendous judgment, he should be following his own advice and sit down with Putin. But... what we have here is Ms. Amerika's foreign policy meeting reality. Reality kicks Ms. Amerika where the sun don't shine... just as he's been doing to Americans for the past 4.5 years.
    In my view, the problem isn't so much a willingness to meet without preconditions. The problem is meeting in the absence of concrete goals and objectives. Summits should not be held merely for atmospherics/feeling good so to speak. They are serious endeavors and should only be held to finalize concrete substance that is in the mutual interests of both parties.

    Take Iran, for instance. If Iran were serious about negotiating a nuclear agreement, then a meeting would be feasible to finalize that agreement. Much preparation would be required before any such meeting would be feasible. Lower-level diplomats would need to hash out an agreement that greatly reduces the risks of Iran's pursuing a nuclear weapons program with robust verification (U.S. interest) and allows Iran to have a civilian nuclear industry (Iran's interest). Only when such an agreement has been reached or the remaining differences are minor should a summit of Presidents be held. Going to Iran or inviting Iran's President to Washington when the differences are enormous and trust is minimal would be nave.

    Some might ask about the President Sadat's trip to Jerusalem. What is often overlooked is that Sadat and the Israelis were building trust and evolving toward an accommodation years before Sadat's visit to Israel. Thanks to the herculean efforts of Secretary of State Kissinger following the 1973 Arab-Israeli war to broker a series of agreements, the two parties gained experience in reaching modest agreements, honoring them, and even making trade-offs to meet one another's needs. The ground was laid for a breakthrough and President Sadat had gained insight from that earlier experience that Israel was psychologically prepared to return the Sinai Peninsula for peace with one of its bitterest foes. He also knew that Israel could trust his sincerity from his having maintained his agreed commitments. On his part, he decided to put Egypt's interests ahead of the supposed interests of a unified Arab world, e.g., Egypt's agreement would not be conditioned on Israel's accommodating all the other Arab state and non-state actors, a situation that would only give the most extreme party a veto over a peace agreement. He didn't just go to Israel with the blind hope of a miracle. Those elements are lacking with regard to Iran. If anything, the gulf between the U.S. and Iran has widened.

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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    No twist to it at all. What Manning did was clearly illegal. His ass belongs behind bars for a very long time.

    With Snowden, what he did may be illegal. But then, what the US Government headed by Obama may have been illegal. Some say it is, some say it is not. Personally, I'm glad Snowden did what he did because I don't think Obama has the authority or the right to track every phone call or email in the US, period. But just about the only way to sort through all that is for Snowden to stand trial and it looks like that ain't happening anytime soon. So in the mean time, I'll just sit back and enjoy the phony show the liberals put on in trying to excuse away Obamas actions on both Snowden and his expanded invasion of privacy policies.
    You don't leak classified information on what MAY be illegal. Snowden belongs in jail since he admitted to doing it. As for a pony show, I'm quite enjoying it actually. To see the right decry a program that THEIR guy they voted for used is hillarious. Yet they now decry Obama doing it.

    It's amazing the justification the right is trying to use for leaking classified information. "May" be illegal? Gimme a break.

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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    No, yours are. How about you simply pay attention to when I joined the forum, and tell me if Bush was in office. Oh, yeah, now you are looking even more silly. Keep it up.
    And since that time you haven't mentioned ANYTHING about Bush? Sorry, don't buy it. There was PLENTY of time to make comments about this program. Sorry you lose again. You're display of partisan hackery is hilarious.

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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And since that time you haven't mentioned ANYTHING about Bush?
    Search for your damn self. Good lord are you really that lazy?

    If you paid even a tiny bit of attention you would know I have been critical of both 'sides', both 'parties'. They are both full of crap, and are more similar in the stuff they do than different.

    So yet again, your attempted assumptions are a failure.
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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    It's really not surprising. Given Putin is just as full of himself as Obama, it's not a shock that he doesn't buy Obama's act. The strut, the phony smile, the thrusting handshake. That doesn't work with everyone.

    And did you see Obama on Leno? One of his incredible blunders was saying Putin had been head of the KGB. He can get away with stuff like that on shows like that because no one was there to call him on it. That happens here a lot too.

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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    It's really not surprising. Given Putin is just as full of himself as Obama, it's not a shock that he doesn't buy Obama's act. The strut, the phony smile, the thrusting handshake. That doesn't work with everyone.

    And did you see Obama on Leno? One of his incredible blunders was saying Putin had been head of the KGB. He can get away with stuff like that on shows like that because no one was there to call him on it. That happens here a lot too.
    Good morning, Bubba.

    It's always interesting when huge egos clash! Makes following the news both informative and scary!

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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    It's really not surprising. Given Putin is just as full of himself as Obama, it's not a shock that he doesn't buy Obama's act. The strut, the phony smile, the thrusting handshake. That doesn't work with everyone.

    And did you see Obama on Leno? One of his incredible blunders was saying Putin had been head of the KGB. He can get away with stuff like that on shows like that because no one was there to call him on it. That happens here a lot too.
    Heya Bubba .....heres what Time has since the Obama snub.

    Putin has not yet replied to Obama’s snub, but most experts found it hard to see how he could spin it in his favor. “He can again say that he did not bow to American demands, that he did not obey,” says Alexander Konovalov, an expert on U.S.-Russia affairs at the Moscow Institute of International Relations. But that message has grown hackneyed over the past year of bickering between Moscow and Washington, so it will not earn him many points with the domestic electorate, adds Konovalov.

    The only ones who seemed to be celebrating Obama’s snub on Wednesday were some of Putin’s harshest critics. “Putin thrives on these joint appearances to show his cronies that he’s an equal on the global stage despite his lack of credentials, and that he can protect their interests abroad,” says Garry Kasparov, the former world chess champion who helped lead the anti-Putin protests last year. “I’m glad Obama is finally showing some spine with regard to Putin,” he says. “This cancellation is a welcome start.”

    But other opposition leaders were less sanguine. Leonid Gozman, a liberal politician, said Obama could have done more for the opposition’s cause by showing up in Moscow as planned. “He could at least have met with activists, spoken at a university, explained his message in an interview to the Russian press,” Gozman says. “Back in 1972, our country was like a concentration camp without fences, and Nixon still came to meet Brezhnev. They ended up talking through their problems. Everybody won.” But those were the days of detente between Moscow and Washington — a word that hardly applies to the current state of affairs.


    Read more: How Obama’s Putin Snub Is Playing Out in Russia | TIME.com

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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Mr. Obama's "Stay-home-and-pout" stance casts the US as the one walking
    away from an opportunity to discuss issues such as Syria, Iran, nuclear arms, etc.
    Early in his presidency, during his dealings with Congress, it was said that Mr. Obama
    is "a great poker player". It seems hard to believe as so often he just folds!
    Just my $0.02

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    Re: Obama Cancels Meeting with Russia's Putin over Snowden Decision.....

    Quote Originally Posted by uncleray View Post
    Mr. Obama's "Stay-home-and-pout" stance casts the US as the one walking
    away from an opportunity to discuss issues such as Syria, Iran, nuclear arms, etc.
    Early in his presidency, during his dealings with Congress, it was said that Mr. Obama
    is "a great poker player". It seems hard to believe as so often he just folds!
    Just my $0.02
    Would it really be a discussion or a one-sided rant by dictator Putin?
    Putin signed a law allowing police officers to arrest tourists and foreign nationals they suspect of being homosexual, lesbian or “pro-gay” and detain them for up to 14 days. Contrary to what the International Olympic Committee says, the law could mean that any Olympic athlete, trainer, reporter, family member or fan who is gay — or suspected of being gay, or just accused of being gay — can go to jail.

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