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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah like you're any better... The only thing that separates you from the progressives is the fact that you want your utopia enforced...

    You're a progressive...
    Let's see how many progressives want to claim me.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Let's see how many progressives want to claim me.
    Don't confuse your differences with your authoritarian ideals...

    You're two peas in a pod but are incapable of seeing it... Neo-cons are Hitler and progressives are Stalin - get it yet?

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Don't confuse your differences with your authoritarian ideals...

    You're two peas in a pod but are incapable of seeing it... Neo-cons are Hitler and progressives are Stalin - get it yet?
    And libertarians are Herbert Spencer or Francis Galton, right?

    Yeah, I get it. This shouldn't be taken seriously at all.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    [QUOTE=j-mac;1062167744]Not going to happen. The ACA won't cover ALL American's and even best estimates show you'll still have about 30 million uncovered. So, you missed the mark there.

    Repeal of DADT. Rape is up in the Military, acts of violence against each other is up, but thank God the private can let his private life be known to everyone, as if they care.

    Equal pay for Women? Hell, the WH doesn't even achieve that....Fail.

    Dream kids? Stories are starting to emerge that they are not following even the parameters of their own law, and just blatantly allowing illegals to claim that status without checking too closely. Back door Amnesty, not a good policy, unless ofcourse you are looking for a way to do away with America as it has existed since its founding....

    Overall, it is you progressives that should be the angriest with the One...He has failed at nearly every policy, and law he has touched...[/QUOTE.



    Very interesting observations, or should I say opinions. Do you have anything to back them up?

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're kidding me, right? How forgetful do you people have to be? Goodness, the last big one was the revitalization of Nixon by liberals trying to get conservatives to accept the Affordable Care Act. At least I could discuss, at length, how conservatives have falsified their adoption of Bill and Hillary Clinton over the past few years. But of course, the two of you had no issues with my critique of that Republican myth making exercise, right?

    In the mid-2000s, yes, people on the liberal to left side of the spectrum began to romanticize both Eisenhower and Goldwater (as well as fusionist conservatives like Buckley, Paul). That was because the principle opposition to liberals were the W. Bush conservatives. Once Bush was defeated, a new enemy sprung up in the form of the Tea Party, but still, vestiges of "true conservatism" promoted by liberals would continue to argue against the mainstream of the opposition party. It still remains a convenient tactic to take a hero to one conservative movement to critique the existing movement. Find something you like in the former hero, build that up to show that conservatives have either lost their way or had become uncivilized, and ignore much of the rest.

    It all starts with phrases like "wouldn't recognize today's Republican party."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/op...31krugman.html
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    No, I haven’t lost my mind. Nixon was surely the worst person other than Dick Cheney ever to control the executive branch.

    Daily Kos: That Liberal Scumbag - Barry Goldwater

    The first sentence:
    I have been a fan of Barry Goldwater ever since I became involved in politics in the mid-80's.
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    Why Do GOP Bosses Fear Ron Paul? | The Nation

    Ron Paul is not a progressive. He takes stands on abortion rights and a number of other issues that disqualify him from consideration by social moderates and liberals, and his stances on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and labor right (like those of the author of the Taft-Hartley Act) are anathema to economic justice advocates
    Didn't see anything that suggested a pining for Goldwater or Ike, or suggested that Nixon or bush* were moderate

    No point in wasting my time by going further. I'm disappointed. I don't remember you ever posting such delusional nonsense before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    From the links:



    Daily Kos: That Liberal Scumbag - Barry Goldwater

    The first sentence:


    Written by the noted liberal "Six Degrees of Aaron"


    Why Do GOP Bosses Fear Ron Paul? | The Nation



    Didn't see anything that suggested a pining for Goldwater or Ike, or suggested that Nixon or bush* were moderate

    No point in wasting my time by going further. I'm disappointed. I don't remember you ever posting such delusional nonsense before.
    You don't like to address the main characteristics of the trope:

    1) The current iteration is a shadow of its former self

    2) A return to this brand of opponent will be much appreciated, either because it is right or because it would mean they are sensible again.

    3) Remove fancy with certain figure or group when that person or group returns to power.

    If you read the links, they either embrace that view, or discuss those who do.

    It's a common ploy. Romney and other Republicans did the same with Bill And Hillary Clinton. They made them the sensible liberals who could talk to conservatives, despite these and many other Republicans expressed disdain for them, either in the past or in the present. Once Obama is out of the picture, fear mongering of the Clinton's will renew once more (as it already has with Bengazi).
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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, but I think there is a sort of Love/Hate thing there...Just as with Republicans that would be in place if Jeb Bush were to throw his hat in on that side of the isle....

    See, on the one hand you have a totally recognizable name for the sheeple to rally around, but to those in the know, are we not tired of this repeating cycle of ordained elites in American political life?

    I know I am...The talk of Bush running, just makes me shake my head....

    Look, if/when Hillary throws her hat in again, she will be the nominee, that much I know....And so does anyone else that even has a pulse. I am just saying that it would be horrible for the country.
    I think folks would have taken your thread much more seriously had you just said electing the nation's 45th president from the "dynasty-class" might not be such a good idea instead of attempting to make the results of the Rasmussen poll out to be something more than it was.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You don't like to address the main characteristics of the trope:

    1) The current iteration is a shadow of its former self

    2) A return to this brand of opponent will be much appreciated

    3) Remove fancy with certain figure or group when that person or group returns to power.

    If you read the links, they either embrace that view, or discuss those who do.
    I did not see any evidence to support your claim that "When Bush was in office, it was not uncommon for liberals to pine for the return principled of small government conservatism of Goldwater and the budgetary constraints Eisenhower placed on the military" or that liberals are now " even starting to revisit Nixon and George W. Bush and think them decent and moderate,"

    Try to defend what you claimed, and not try to paraphrase your own words in order to water them down
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And here I thought repub's were having trouble with splits it their party....Demo's seem to be conflicted even within their own thoughts....
    The important thing to remember about Democrats is that over 97% of the people living in Detroit voted for Barrack Obama during the last Presidential election. When the educated Whites and Blacks jumped ship all you had left was Democrats, and these same people will be voting for the Democrat candidate in the next Presidential election no matter what their experience, ability or record. This is the real threat to the stability of the United States.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I agree that educations occur as much outside a university's campus as in it. Over educated is one of two things- far more qualified for a position than it requires or far more 'stuff' was poured into too small a vessel.

    Take the ACA part of your post. If you had either an education or experience in this you'd know we are already paying for 'everyone'. Those who are uninsured boost the fees both hospitals and doctors charge to recoup that loss. WE PAY THAT. People who use the ER room for simple primary health care and skip out on the bill... WE PAY THAT. You personally may not be at the moment, another sign of a lack of experience, due to parents or something, perhaps you feel young, strong and invincible and don't think you need to worry about such things.

    You might be both under-educated. Reagan didn't run on 60% is good, he ran on those bad ol' liberals spending our grandchildren's futures through ever increasing social programs. (He spent their future on unfunded government programs we still have not paid for) He ran on reducing the size of government but increased it in size and number manpower. He ran on reducing taxes but quietly increased taxes and fees through his two terms in office.

    So you see my young student you seem to be as defensive and forgetful of St. Ronald's two terms in office. You seem as enamored with south bite rhetoric as your fellow students...
    No no. You can't say Obama gets a free pass on spending just because presidents like Reagan and Bush ran deficits.
    It's entirely different to run a deficit up yo 60% as opposed to 100%.
    I wasn't alive when Reagan was president, so I couldn't care what he "ran on"
    The fact is our deficits werent a problem under reagan, but they are becoming a problem now

    And no Im not going to take out the part about the PPACA. No **** we pay for other people's health care. And that is the problem. I wouldn't hate the laws so much if it had a mandate that came with more flexible underwriting. But no, the law tightens underwriting doubling the cost for new buyers of health insurance, whom are mostly young and healthy. Maybe if you had a university education you'd see the issue with forcing someone to buy something then jacking up their prices 100%.

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