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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    They understand the world in terms of sound bite rhetoric, and no one is better at sound bite rhetoric then our current president.
    I'd say you don't see the world much passed this 'sound bite rhetoric' either. I guess they don't teach you college kids about Ronald Reagan, patron saint of debt don't matter... He was the MASTER at sound bite rhetoric. I guess like most over educated, under experienced folks you live in the here now only, and have no sense of history.

    Obama is a stuttering shadow of the great Communicator, Reagan could lift a nation or lie looking you straight in the eye in almost the same breath.

    History is wasted on the young until they have some of their very own- but then they are no longer young....

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And here I thought repub's were having trouble with splits it their party....Demo's seem to be conflicted even within their own thoughts....
    Um, no. The poll is comparing to general voter sentiment to Democratic preferences. This is not evidence of any split within the party itself.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I'd say you don't see the world much passed this 'sound bite rhetoric' either. I guess they don't teach you college kids about Ronald Reagan, patron saint of debt don't matter... He was the MASTER at sound bite rhetoric. I guess like most over educated, under experienced folks you live in the here now only, and have no sense of history.

    Obama is a stuttering shadow of the great Communicator, Reagan could lift a nation or lie looking you straight in the eye in almost the same breath.

    History is wasted on the young until they have some of their very own- but then they are no longer young....
    Over educated in what sense? Education isn't something that is just taught in a class room. I'd argue what you call over educated I call under experienced. Things take an entirely different form when you add some real substance to them.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I'd say you don't see the world much passed this 'sound bite rhetoric' either. I guess they don't teach you college kids about Ronald Reagan, patron saint of debt don't matter... He was the MASTER at sound bite rhetoric. I guess like most over educated, under experienced folks you live in the here now only, and have no sense of history.

    Obama is a stuttering shadow of the great Communicator, Reagan could lift a nation or lie looking you straight in the eye in almost the same breath.

    History is wasted on the young until they have some of their very own- but then they are no longer young....
    About Reagan.... Debt doesn't matter when its less then 60% of GDP. It does matter when that number starts reaching 100% and over.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    About Reagan.... Debt doesn't matter when its less then 60% of GDP. It does matter when that number starts reaching 100% and over.
    I agree that educations occur as much outside a university's campus as in it. Over educated is one of two things- far more qualified for a position than it requires or far more 'stuff' was poured into too small a vessel.

    Take the ACA part of your post. If you had either an education or experience in this you'd know we are already paying for 'everyone'. Those who are uninsured boost the fees both hospitals and doctors charge to recoup that loss. WE PAY THAT. People who use the ER room for simple primary health care and skip out on the bill... WE PAY THAT. You personally may not be at the moment, another sign of a lack of experience, due to parents or something, perhaps you feel young, strong and invincible and don't think you need to worry about such things.

    You might be both under-educated. Reagan didn't run on 60% is good, he ran on those bad ol' liberals spending our grandchildren's futures through ever increasing social programs. (He spent their future on unfunded government programs we still have not paid for) He ran on reducing the size of government but increased it in size and number manpower. He ran on reducing taxes but quietly increased taxes and fees through his two terms in office.

    So you see my young student you seem to be as defensive and forgetful of St. Ronald's two terms in office. You seem as enamored with south bite rhetoric as your fellow students...

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute, I don't recall anywhere in the rules that I must appease progressive democrats with how much of an article I must post so that you don't get your panties in a bunch over what we are discussing here. I have said throughout this thread that anyone with pulse knows that should Hillary run she will get the nomination, so instead of some feigned outrage that I didn't open with enough of the article for your liking is crap. The link is there, and you can clearly read, comprehension aside, I suggest you read the articles posted in OP's in their entirety then talk about them, not come in half cocked and shoot your mouth off as if I did something wrong, it makes you progressives look thin skinned, and foolish.
    Are you serious? Half cocked? Outrage? LOL ... far from it grasshopper ... I just demonstrated how deceptive your post was .. the outrage is all yours and I can see why you're upset ... next time try being more honest ... or don't, and if I see it, I'll put you in your place once again ...

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    No democrat has a ****ing realistic chance in 2016.... Of course democrats will find a away to win the election.

    Not that it matters considering the RNC will nominate a tyrant to boot..

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Seriously? You really think it was "not uncommon" for liberals to pine for Goldwater and Ike, and think of Nixon and bush* as decent and moderate?
    You're kidding me, right? How forgetful do you people have to be? Goodness, the last big one was the revitalization of Nixon by liberals trying to get conservatives to accept the Affordable Care Act. At least I could discuss, at length, how conservatives have falsified their adoption of Bill and Hillary Clinton over the past few years. But of course, the two of you had no issues with my critique of that Republican myth making exercise, right?

    In the mid-2000s, yes, people on the liberal to left side of the spectrum began to romanticize both Eisenhower and Goldwater (as well as fusionist conservatives like Buckley, Paul). That was because the principle opposition to liberals were the W. Bush conservatives. Once Bush was defeated, a new enemy sprung up in the form of the Tea Party, but still, vestiges of "true conservatism" promoted by liberals would continue to argue against the mainstream of the opposition party. It still remains a convenient tactic to take a hero to one conservative movement to critique the existing movement. Find something you like in the former hero, build that up to show that conservatives have either lost their way or had become uncivilized, and ignore much of the rest.

    It all starts with phrases like "wouldn't recognize today's Republican party."

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Everything that made this nation great is gone...

    3....2...1... now let progressive talk **** and defend this POS economy and our tyrannical government

    "racist past, old white men, capitalism"

    What a ****ing platform to run on - not to mention what a great society we live in - a nation that judges on race, sexual orientation, sex, religion etc and not character - which ideas BTW dictate just about everything in our present "society" ...

    Of course republicans want a priest for president and progressives want Lenin...

    Of course these clowns will deny all of this and attempt to portray their authoritarian position as logical...

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're kidding me, right? How forgetful do you people have to be? Goodness, the last big one was the revitalization of Nixon by liberals trying to get conservatives to accept the Affordable Care Act. At least I could discuss, at length, how conservatives have falsified their adoption of Bill and Hillary Clinton over the past few years. But of course, the two of you had no issues with my critique of that Republican myth making exercise, right?

    In the mid-2000s, yes, people on the liberal to left side of the spectrum began to romanticize both Eisenhower and Goldwater (as well as fusionist conservatives like Buckley, Paul). That was because the principle opposition to liberals were the W. Bush conservatives. Once Bush was defeated, a new enemy sprung up in the form of the Tea Party, but still, vestiges of "true conservatism" promoted by liberals would continue to argue against the mainstream of the opposition party. It still remains a convenient tactic to take a hero to one conservative movement to critique the existing movement. Find something you like in the former hero, build that up to show that conservatives have either lost their way or had become uncivilized, and ignore much of the rest.

    It all starts with phrases like "wouldn't recognize today's Republican party."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/op...31krugman.html

    Daily Kos: That Liberal Scumbag - Barry Goldwater

    Why Do GOP Bosses Fear Ron Paul? | The Nation

    Ron Paul's Strange Bedfellows | The Nation

    What Would Nixon Say to Today's Republican Party? - Molly Ball - The Atlantic

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/bu...pagewanted=all

    Rachel Maddow: In America Today, Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower Would Be Bernie Sanders in the U.S. Senate | Alternet

    Should You Still Despise George W. Bush?

    Geoffrey Kabaservice: Why Won

    Irving Kristol saved the right from intellectual bankruptcy in the '60s. Who will save it now? - Slate Magazine

    Revolt of the Goldwater conservatives - Salon.com


    Reagan, Goldwater Wouldn't Recognize the Republican Tea Party - Peter Fenn (usnews.com)
    Yeah like you're any better... The only thing that separates you from the progressives is the fact that you want your utopia enforced...

    You're a progressive...

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