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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Please let it be Jesse Jackson again.
    Democrats would find some way to elect him this time...

    He'd actually have a chance - a better chance than he did back in the days where even democrats were conservative and progressives were still communists to some sort of literal degree.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The euphoria and leg tingling Obama created among minorities, liberals, unions, and college kids will be very difficult for the Democrats to repeat.

    Empty, novel attributes aside, there is no substance to Obama. None. They know that, at least enough of them.

    Democrats may very well just stay away this time, and let the adults handle things again.
    You wish.
    As empty as the Democratic basket has become, the fact is they represent more Americans than the Republicans do. You guys have let yourselves become the party of white men and their wives. The Dems could run Woody Harrelson and Oprah Winfrey, in any order, and the Repubs wouldn't have an answer.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    More partial to Joe, personally. However, nothing would send me quicker to the Democrats regardless of who it was, than throwing up a libertarian-minded Republican as the party's candidate. Christie vs. Clinton or Joe->I vote Christie. Paul vs. Clinton or Joe--->I vote Democrat.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then why is it so damned hard to get one of you Obamabots to define what he means by "fundamental transformation"? Care to take that on?


    Fundamental transformation? Well, let's see...how about healthcare for all Americans; how about the repeal of don't ask, don't tell; how about equal pay for women; how about a break for the Dream kids--all policies that your kind hates, but definitely transformative....

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Clinton isn't radical enough for modern democrats and progressives. They want a Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi, maybe a Jesse Jackson......
    I am a Progressive, dunno how 'modern' I am, Hillary is 'radical' enough for me.

    Problem with many cons is they shift the goalposts as it suits them until they have no meaning. Hillary was a scary far left liberal when it suited the con conversation.

    The attempt to paint her as the most unwanted Democrat was very flawed, with over 60% wanting her, the 20 some percent will not find her as distasteful as the radical right claims Willard was for them in the last go-round.

    While there is still plenty of time for someone to swoop in and take the nomination away from her, the numbers in her favor are like what the cons had in their pre-Iraq/economic crash days.

    I understand the frantic need to divert attention from the train wreck that is the RNC these days... this won't help...

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post

    Problem with many cons is they shift the goalposts as it suits them until they have no meaning. Hillary was a scary far left liberal when it suited the con conversation.
    Happens with liberals as well. When Bush was in office, it was not uncommon for liberals to pine for the return principled of small government conservatism of Goldwater and the budgetary constraints Eisenhower placed on the military, without thinking about the consequences of that. When liberals got a renewed taste of it after 2010, suddenly Goldwater, Ron and Rand Paul became the enemy again...and slowly, slowly, some are even starting to revisit Nixon and George W. Bush and think them decent and moderate, despite their decades-long dispute with both.

    The attempt to paint her as the most unwanted Democrat was very flawed, with over 60% wanting her, the 20 some percent will not find her as distasteful as the radical right claims Willard was for them in the last go-round.
    It's transparent, because before Obama was a serious contender, Hillary was perceived as the worst case scenario for Republicans. When Hillary and Obama were months into their grueling primary bout, Republicans suddenly turned Hillary into the sensible, experienced, and decisive Democrat that could make the tough calls and make America safe in comparison to the neophyte that had captured the imagination of the Democratic Party base.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Happens with liberals as well. When Bush was in office, it was not uncommon for liberals to pine for the return principled of small government conservatism of Goldwater and the budgetary constraints Eisenhower placed on the military, without thinking about the consequences of that. When liberals got a renewed taste of it after 2010, suddenly Goldwater, Ron and Rand Paul became the enemy again...and slowly, slowly, some are even starting to revisit Nixon and George W. Bush and think them decent and moderate, despite their decades-long dispute with both.

    Seriously? You really think it was "not uncommon" for liberals to pine for Goldwater and Ike, and think of Nixon and bush* as decent and moderate?
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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Wasn't Rasmussen saying Romney was going to win in a landslide?

    Some of those polls were hurt their creditability.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And here I thought repub's were having trouble with splits it their party....Demo's seem to be conflicted even within their own thoughts....

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Wasn't Rasmussen saying Romney was going to win in a landslide?

    Some of those polls were hurt their creditability.
    No. There was a definite Republican lean to their polls in 2012, but they were generally only a few points off.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Happens with liberals as well. When Bush was in office, it was not uncommon for liberals to pine for the return principled of small government conservatism of Goldwater and the budgetary constraints Eisenhower placed on the military, without thinking about the consequences of that. When liberals got a renewed taste of it after 2010, suddenly Goldwater, Ron and Rand Paul became the enemy again...and slowly, slowly, some are even starting to revisit Nixon and George W. Bush and think them decent and moderate, despite their decades-long dispute with both. It's transparent, because before Obama was a serious contender, Hillary was perceived as the worst case scenario for Republicans. When Hillary and Obama were months into their grueling primary bout, Republicans suddenly turned Hillary into the sensible, experienced, and decisive Democrat that could make the tough calls and make America safe in comparison to the neophyte that had captured the imagination of the Democratic Party base.
    I don't think any liberals, no matter the definition you give that group, would EVER want a 'return' to Goldwater or ever see him in a warm and fuzzy light. Ike would be vilified by his own party if he was in politics today.

    Anyone who would cut the social safety net out from under millions of citizens as wall street tanked our economy one more time would be seen as 'the enemy' so I don't see the again part with the likes of Sen Paul. Nixon would be seen as a RINO as BushI was. I don't ever recall any real overheated rhetoric for BushI like there is for Obama.

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