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    T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    The obsession with safety from "terrorists" has gotten out of hand for sure I shouldn't lose my rights (aka freedom) because some anti-freedom douche wanted to send a statement. They win. When we lose our minds...they win.

    I am ok with the metal detectors. The screening for bombs. Cool. But it has gone too far.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Americans are so damned fickle. In one breath they whine about being spied on but the minute something bad happens, they cry about how the government did not do enough. Make up your damned minds.

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If there were a child missing in the neighborhood, you would demand officers have a search warrant to search your home?
    Nice appeal to emotion.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    See, I find that sickening. If you have drug paraphernalia sitting around, I can understand your reasoning. If you have illegal guns in your home or are running a meth lab, I can understand your reasoning. But to impede an investigation just to protect your rights? That I don't get.
    I'm talking about general case and you know it. So stop with these hysterics and address the questions honestly.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Coppers want to search my car? Have at it. I want to be on my way. You want to make a mountain out of a mole hill to protect your rights? That's up to you. Most of the rest of us have things to do and places to be. You want them to call out the drug dogs on you? Have at it. Me? I'll be enjoying a gin and tonic on my patio long after you've made an ass of yourself on the road.
    Some are leaders, some are sheep. The problem is that your lax attitude puts my rights at risk and that's when we have problems. It's not a mountain out of a mole hill, it is proper use of government force against the free exercise of rights. If you don't see that importance, then you'll never understand the consequences of freedom nor be able to keep it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    But thank GOD there are people like you in the world. Otherwise, why, our government'd be shredding the constitution before nightfall. *massive eye roll*
    Nope, people like you have already allowed it to happen. You're who Daniel Webster was talking about.

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    Edit: Tommy Boy (taxi driver) was caught in the middle of a bust with his fare one night. Someone (stranger) he picked up at a motel. When he pulled away, suddenly there were six squad cars (or whatever) pinning him in, cops came streaming out like clowns, surrounded the car and arrested their suspect in the back seat. (Tom's fare)

    They ran Tom's license and saw he had a FOID card (gun permit). Asked if he had his gun with him. He said, "No." They asked if they could search his car. He said, "Sure, go ahead. Is a box cutter illegal?" "Nope," they answered. They searched his car and he was on the road again in five minutes.

    You? Though you had nothing to hide, you would have said, "No, you cannot." They would have then detained you as they obtained a search warrant. (Probable cause being you had an escaped felon in your cab. Piece of cake.) You'd have waited around two hours. For nothing.

    Our rights are in place to protect us. If we don't need protection, we don't need to exercise them. And I guarantee you I go through life easier than those who are looking to make statements every day of the week.
    So be meek, be weak, submit and everything will be OK. Well you got that one story of a dude who made it out, but given our prison population not as many made it so likely; and that's just what we know about.

    Rights must always be exercised, rights are not here to "protect us", they are here to limit government power and force. Obviously rights and freedom makes everything more dangerous. This is obvious.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    If we cannot supply security to these people, we should shut down the embassies permanently. Only a fool would want to be in these backward countries anyway!
    Fine I'm all for that, but that isn't how it's going to happen regardless of who is president. So given the fact we KNOW they won't be shut down permanently would you rather err on the side of caution and have them closed, or keep them open and risk an attack on one of them where Americans die?

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Americans are so damned fickle. In one breath they whine about being spied on but the minute something bad happens, they cry about how the government did not do enough. Make up your damned minds.
    I take the former. I have guns and I can protect myself, so the government can piss off. And if I realize the probabilities associated with freedom, then that is but a natural consequence of the free state.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care about something that has the potential to save your life? I've never understood the mindset, frankly. If they'd have been in the right place at the right time, the Boston bombing could have been prevented. We live in a complicated world. Strangers are trying to annihilate us. I wish they'd walk around with portable metal detectors. Might get some illegal guns off the streets.
    Maybe there are no good answers?

    History tells us though that a strong centralized police or internal military force will usually eventually be turned against the political enemies of the ruling elite.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Fine I'm all for that, but that isn't how it's going to happen regardless of who is president. So given the fact we KNOW they won't be shut down permanently would you rather err on the side of caution and have them closed, or keep them open and risk an attack on one of them where Americans die?
    Americans die all the time. 30,000+ from cars alone, gravity gets us, disease gets us, random crime gets us. Lots of things get us. Mortality is the price of life. But just because all men die doesn't mean we have to freak out about low probability events and start authorizing government with powers it shouldn't have.

    Terrorism and crime are probabilities. I might have to deal with it. Government is a guarantee, I WILL have to deal with it. If you want me to give up a probability for the guarantee, it's gonna have to be an awfully high probability.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Maybe there are no good answers?

    History tells us though that a strong centralized police or internal military force will usually eventually be turned against the political enemies of the ruling elite.
    In America, that's the People in general.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Americans die all the time. 30,000+ from cars alone, gravity gets us, disease gets us, random crime gets us. Lots of things get us. Mortality is the price of life. But just because all men die doesn't mean we have to freak out about low probability events and start authorizing government with powers it shouldn't have.

    Terrorism and crime are probabilities. I might have to deal with it. Government is a guarantee, I WILL have to deal with it. If you want me to give up a probability for the guarantee, it's gonna have to be an awfully high probability.
    So is your solution then to keep them open? And if so, did you complain about how Benghazi didn't have the proper security when they were attacked?

    I only ask, because it's assinine to say we should keep the embacies open and then complain when they were attacked and people die.

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So is your solution then to keep them open? And if so, did you complain about how Benghazi didn't have the proper security when they were attacked?

    I only ask, because it's assinine to say we should keep the embacies open and then complain when they were attacked and people die.
    I didn't say **** about Benghazi. Embassies are dangerous places particularly in a world where America plays World Aggressor.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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