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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I don't agree with what the TSA is doing, but I hardly think it is "secrative" if they are walking around in uniforms with bulletproof vests on.
    Put them on horseback and we can call them cowboys. It is beyond ridiculous and it does feel like a police state. I lived in a police state for some time. Freedom is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Put them on horseback and we can call them cowboys. It is beyond ridiculous and it does feel like a police state. I lived in a police state for some time. Freedom is better.
    I don't disagree with you, but I don't agree its secrative either. I also don't think the majority of peopole care, which is a shame since they keep electing the same representatives that don't do anything about it.

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I don't disagree with you, but I don't agree its secrative either. I also don't think the majority of peopole care, which is a shame since they keep electing the same representatives that don't do anything about it.
    Police states aren't necessarily secretive. Anybody that lives in one knows they live in one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Police states aren't necessarily secretive. Anybody that lives in one knows they live in one.
    Again I don't disagree, was simply stating a rebutal to the comment that it was secrative. This whole thing stinks and just puts us further and further closer to a dictatorship. I'm not worried about Obama either, I'm worried what will follow him and how they will use this new found power that the government has seized.

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I believe I already answered that.
    No you didn't. You just said if they have a good reason, but if you were doing something illegal you'd want them to have a warrant (it's a sick mind that equates exercising one's rights with committing crimes), however, you never stated what you'd do if they didn't have either warrant or reason. If they have no reason, you wouldn't demand a warrant would you? That would mean you were doing something illegal by your own admission. So obviously, you'd let them in whenever they want for whatever reason you want, seeing as you aren't doing anything illegal.

    And if that's how you want to run it, you're free to run it all day long. Just don't force me to abdicate MY rights because you don't care if the government sets up cameras in your home.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No you didn't. You just said if they have a good reason, but if you were doing something illegal you'd want them to have a warrant (it's a sick mind that equates exercising one's rights with committing crimes), however, you never stated what you'd do if they didn't have either warrant or reason. If they have no reason, you wouldn't demand a warrant would you? That would mean you were doing something illegal by your own admission. So obviously, you'd let them in whenever they want for whatever reason you want, seeing as you aren't doing anything illegal.

    And if that's how you want to run it, you're free to run it all day long. Just don't force me to abdicate MY rights because you don't care if the government sets up cameras in your home.
    If there were a child missing in the neighborhood, you would demand officers have a search warrant to search your home? See, I find that sickening. If you have drug paraphernalia sitting around, I can understand your reasoning. If you have illegal guns in your home or are running a meth lab, I can understand your reasoning. But to impede an investigation just to protect your rights? That I don't get.

    Coppers want to search my car? Have at it. I want to be on my way. You want to make a mountain out of a mole hill to protect your rights? That's up to you. Most of the rest of us have things to do and places to be. You want them to call out the drug dogs on you? Have at it. Me? I'll be enjoying a gin and tonic on my patio long after you've made an ass of yourself on the road.

    But thank GOD there are people like you in the world. Otherwise, why, our government'd be shredding the constitution before nightfall. *massive eye roll*

    Edit: Tommy Boy (taxi driver) was caught in the middle of a bust with his fare one night. Someone (stranger) he picked up at a motel. When he pulled away, suddenly there were six squad cars (or whatever) pinning him in, cops came streaming out like clowns, surrounded the car and arrested their suspect in the back seat. (Tom's fare)

    They ran Tom's license and saw he had a FOID card (gun permit). Asked if he had his gun with him. He said, "No." They asked if they could search his car. He said, "Sure, go ahead. Is a box cutter illegal?" "Nope," they answered. They searched his car and he was on the road again in five minutes.

    You? Though you had nothing to hide, you would have said, "No, you cannot." They would have then detained you as they obtained a search warrant. (Probable cause being you had an escaped felon in your cab. Piece of cake.) You'd have waited around two hours. For nothing.

    Our rights are in place to protect us. If we don't need protection, we don't need to exercise them. And I guarantee you I go through life easier than those who are looking to make statements every day of the week.
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    Gosh, I feel so darn safe now!

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    We can't beef up EVERY SINGLE one of them, so yes I think closing them was an acceptable solution. Would you rather Americans died?
    If we cannot supply security to these people, we should shut down the embassies permanently. Only a fool would want to be in these backward countries anyway!

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security - NYTimes.com

    Yet another governmental agency using the terrorism threat to circumvent the U.S. Constitution and harass American citizens without probable cause.

    I sure hope the "I'm okay with it" meme crowd is against these practices.
    I love how some of these stories actually acknowledge that the VIPR program was started back in 2011 but are writing these stories as if "suddenly" just now TSA is "expanding its duties".

    Contrary to what the article is trying to say, TSA's original mission was not to "provide security screenings at airports". From the very beginning bill that authorized it's creation:

    `(1) carrying out chapter 449, relating to civil aviation security, and related research and development activities; and

    `(2) security responsibilities over other modes of transportation that are exercised by the Department of Transportation.

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    Since that point it's been CONGRESS whose been further broadening the TSA's focus. Take the very first line of the 2011 reauthorization:

    To authorize the programs of the Transportation Security Administration relating to the provision of transportation security, and for other purposes. Link
    Transportation, not "airports". This is further evident by entire sections of the reauthorization:

    SEC. 324. EXPLOSIVES DETECTION CANINE TEAMS FOR SURFACE TRANSPORTATION.
    Section 1307 of the Implementing Recommendations of the 9/11 Commission Act of 2007 (6 U.S.C. 1116) is amended--

    ‘(3) PASSENGER SCREENING TEAMS-

    ‘(A) IN GENERAL- In order to strengthen the Nation’s mass transit infrastructure against explosives threats, the Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security (Transportation Security Administration) shall--

    ‘(i) increase the number of explosives detection canine teams certified by the Transportation Security Administration devoted to passenger rail and public transportation security activities to not less than 200 canine teams by the end of fiscal year 2012;

    ‘(ii) increase the assistance provided to passenger rail and public transportation agencies for participation in the Transportation Security Administration’s canine program to $75,000 per canine team; and
    While the TSA's most prominent area of responsability in the public eye has been with Airports, that has NEVER been its singular responsability both in practice or through constitutional authority. For example, TSA inspectors at shipping ports have been going on before the VIPR program even began. The congressional authority for the TSA is the protection of the nation's transit system.

    VIPR teams, largely, do not function entirely on their own. Instances with various train stations or with local authorities typically occur through an agreement with those locations due either to their request or intelligence spurring action on TSA's part. The primary makeup and leaership of these VIPR teams is from the Law Enforcement element of TSA (which you can google to figure out what that is) not Joe Average Screener at the airports.

    Additionally, yes...during events where additional security or law enforcement is requested (such as during the aftermath of the bombings in boston) the TSA's law enforcement branch does the same thing as EVERY federal law enforcement agency, in that it provides the assistance off some of it's LEO assets to assist with the particular event in a manner that relates to their area of responsability OR in general LEO duties.

    This is "expanding" has been happening for 3 years now, spurred by Congress not by TSA, rather than the sudden occurence that the articles are attempting to project. They are not outside the original scope of what TSA was created for and are specifically required under the current reauthorizations of the agency. Those performing any law enforcement duties are LEO's with training in that avenue of work, not your average screeners.

    If you want to bitch about TSA or specifically the VIPR teams be my guest, but at least get your facts straight and your implications accurate.
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