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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I understand that, but the measurements are too obvious. The observables are clear, and people march down the road blindly and in doing so they endanger my rights. All the time bigger government, all the time more intrusive government. It just keeps going, it's like an evil Energizer Bunny. More aggressiveness, more force, more Big Brother behavior. This is undeniable and it is clearly dangerous to allow government a free hand. It has always been dangerous to allow government a free hand. Yet people turn away from obvious measurement and observation and pretend for sake of fear or convenience or apathy or whatever reason pretend that things are fine. Meanwhile, we drive ourselves into further debt, we don't really address any issue of terrorism, the government grows bigger, and we become less free. And I for one ain't so happy about being drug down with the lot because enough people don't care enough to pay attention or fall prey to fear tactics.
    I understand, and in some cases I couldn't agree more...We are a nation of sheep, that tunes in to their favorite news outlet, whether it be FNC, or MSNBC and tunes out. I swear sometimes I get the picture of that scene in the first Mummy movie, where they are in the hotel in Egypt, and the town's people are marching toward them, under the spell of the Mummy, with blank stares, all repeating in unison, "Emotep, Emotep, Emotep"..... And on certain things I can even admit that I fall prey to that from time to time...I think we all do to some extent...

    We see it in here, that in certain things if you close your eyes and repeat certain sentences over and over, you can almost picture a Chris Matthews, or Sean Hannity saying the exact same thing...But I don't think that overcoming that mindset is in berating those people, and proclaiming them ignorant for not listening, but rather talking to them and laying out your case in a civil manner...Some will see it, others will not.

    Also I didn't say stupid, I said ignorance. Ignorance can be fixed with education. And it wasn't the angriest manner I could muster either, it was more poetic.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We see it in here, that in certain things if you close your eyes and repeat certain sentences over and over, you can almost picture a Chris Matthews, or Sean Hannity saying the exact same thing...But I don't think that overcoming that mindset is in berating those people, and proclaiming them ignorant for not listening, but rather talking to them and laying out your case in a civil manner...Some will see it, others will not.
    I don't think the mindset can be overcome. Sometimes an engineering student needs to be told they aren't cut out for engineering. Sometimes the physics grad student needs to be told that they are not intelligent enough to continue. Sometime the ignorant need to be informed that they are ignorant. Will it solve the problem? I'm under no delusion. I think given the observables and the reactions, many are very content in their ignorance and purposefully avoid breaking it. Everything is obvious, it's as obvious as addition. If one does not see it, it is because they choose not to see it. How do you fight willful ignorance.

    But they're dragging me to hell in a handbasket, I'm going to bitch during the entire trip.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In many cases we see ourselves in a different light that what is actually the case.
    That's because people like to read into things and add emotions that are not there. What I said previous is nothing more than a statement of fact.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think the mindset can be overcome. Sometimes an engineering student needs to be told they aren't cut out for engineering. Sometimes the physics grad student needs to be told that they are not intelligent enough to continue. Sometime the ignorant need to be informed that they are ignorant. Will it solve the problem? I'm under no delusion. I think given the observables and the reactions, many are very content in their ignorance and purposefully avoid breaking it. Everything is obvious, it's as obvious as addition. If one does not see it, it is because they choose not to see it. How do you fight willful ignorance.

    But they're dragging me to hell in a handbasket, I'm going to bitch during the entire trip.
    So then, what are you doing here? Are you just here to bitch and moan? Good grief, if in the end I thought that was all I was here to do, I'd pull out in a second....

    That's because people like to read into things and add emotions that are not there. What I said previous is nothing more than a statement of fact.
    Maybe you don't intend it, and I understand that, but, what you see as fact someone else doesn't...That is also a statement of fact.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So then, what are you doing here? Are you just here to bitch and moan? Good grief, if in the end I thought that was all I was here to do, I'd pull out in a second....
    Refine arguments and experience other philosophies. A lot of it is personal education. Maybe I'll be able to cobble something together to make more persuasive arguments, maybe not. It's hard to combat willful ignorance.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe you don't intend it, and I understand that, but, what you see as fact someone else doesn't...That is also a statement of fact.
    Maybe true, but in the face of repeated measurement and observation, it becomes less and less reasonable to not see the facts.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Americans are so damned fickle. In one breath they whine about being spied on but the minute something bad happens, they cry about how the government did not do enough. Make up your damned minds.
    So...

    Basically, you can't oppose over-intrusive govt and want them to do the right things without being a hypocrite, and Americans are all one collective hive mind without different ares of personal views on various issues, is that right?

    IMO, that is a HORRIBLY ignorant view of things - both a terrible view of the opinions being made and a terrible sense of logic.

    IF you don't like the original x-ray scanners, for example, want them to do the right thing [and in your opinion for this example that were to do Israeli methods], and kept shouting at them when they screwed up, where's the hypocrisy? Where is the contradiction?

    IMO strictly, there is none - an d it'd behoove those who use such intellectually dishonest tactics - regardless of the side of an issue they're on - to just cut the crap if you want to be taken seriously.
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