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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    But I can refuse. When people should be yelling, screaming and gnashing their teeth is when you can't refuse. And that's not going to happen until we shred the Constitution. I've been on this earth a while now. Never had a problem with a cop. Same with Tom. Same with most of my friends and family. I'm not paranoid about the government like some on this forum are. I don't have issues with authoritarian figures hired to enforce our laws. I respect them. And if I can make their job easier? That's what I'll be doing.

    My rights are my rights. It's not mandatory that I exercise even one of them to protect them.
    Kinda reminds me of that old story about the fellow in Germany. When they came for the Jews he didn't object because he wasn't a Jew. When they came for the next group he didn't object because he wasn't in that group either. Etc, and when they came for him there was nobody left.

    What about the law and legal principles Maggie? Do you believe in them? Or is your trust of authority and its beneficence enough for you? They should not be defended, those principles, unless it's in your own personal case, is that it?

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    But I can refuse. When people should be yelling, screaming and gnashing their teeth is when you can't refuse. And that's not going to happen until we shred the Constitution. I've been on this earth a while now. Never had a problem with a cop. Same with Tom. Same with most of my friends and family. I'm not paranoid about the government like some on this forum are. I don't have issues with authoritarian figures hired to enforce our laws. I respect them. And if I can make their job easier? That's what I'll be doing.

    My rights are my rights. It's not mandatory that I exercise even one of them to protect them.
    You are right you can refuse, right up till you cant. What most people on this forum and in this country fail to understand is that our country is the ONLY country in the world founded on a very unique principle, that is the principle of self sovereignty. That you are the queen of your domain same as the queen of England, with only difference being the number of subjects you have. You just have yourself as a subject. The constitution serves only to CONFIRM that fact and grants nothing. The constitution is simply the treaty by which we determine how we conduct business and resolve problems amongst ourselves PEACABLY. If you wish your rights to be respected you must INSIST they be, or they will not be respected. It may be inconvenient but it is less inconvenient if those with YOUR DELEGATED authority abuse it IN YOUR NAME possibly against you. I wish there was a politician out there that understood and could articulate that concept well so more people would understand truly what it is they give up when they allow their delegated rights to be abused by those assigned by US to HELP protect.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Being on the "fringe" isn't necessarily a bad thing all the time. At one time, there were "fringe" people that believed the Earth was round instead of flat. Silly them.

    What is pathetic and sad is the fact that people still keep voting Dem/Rep even though they have failed this country. Yes, under Obama the debt and government increased more than under Bush. Under Bush the debt and government increased more than Clinton, etc, etc. Well, the people get the government they deserve if they keep voting them in (both sides).
    Well, you do have a point there, but I wouldn't call people stupid for being caught in the two party cycle, it is after all what they are fed on a daily basis as the only way their voice counts, and most people don't follow this crap like we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, you do have a point there, but I wouldn't call people stupid for being caught in the two party cycle, it is after all what they are fed on a daily basis as the only way their voice counts, and most people don't follow this crap like we do.
    You're right, the better word would be ignorant not stupid. People have the ability to become informed, they simply don't. I have family members on both the right and left I hate talking politics with because they simply buy into the "sound bites" and "internet chain emails". That is why I think people get the government they deserve.

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Kinda reminds me of that old story about the fellow in Germany. When they came for the Jews he didn't object because he wasn't a Jew. When they came for the next group he didn't object because he wasn't in that group either. Etc, and when they came for him there was nobody left.

    What about the law and legal principles Maggie? Do you believe in them? Or is your trust of authority and its beneficence enough for you? They should not be defended, those principles, unless it's in your own personal case, is that it?
    I do believe the law and legal principles. I also have trust in our Constitution. And I alsoi realize we live in a very different world in this country today. We have tens of millions of people whose beliefs tell them they should be annihilating Americans...that our way of life is a threat to them. I'm not sure that we haven't lost sight of what it is I personally am arguing. That is that my rights are there. I'm not worried I'm going to lose them like some people are. Because I let a cop search my car doesn't mean I've given up a damned thing. Just because I stop at a checkpoint and get breathalyzed doesn't mean I've given up anything. Search my house. Please. I'm fine with that. This time.

    If you don't want to do that? Well, that's fine. Perhaps you and others are like those young people who walked down the middle of Main Street with their AK47's slung on their shoulders -- because they could. Fine. I'm just not that person. And I think the majority of Americans feel pretty much the same way.

    And again. Until they shred the Constitution of the United States of America? I'm safe in cooperating. Because if I don't want to cooperate? That document still stands to protect me.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You are right you can refuse, right up till you cant. What most people on this forum and in this country fail to understand is that our country is the ONLY country in the world founded on a very unique principle, that is the principle of self sovereignty. That you are the queen of your domain same as the queen of England, with only difference being the number of subjects you have. You just have yourself as a subject. The constitution serves only to CONFIRM that fact and grants nothing. The constitution is simply the treaty by which we determine how we conduct business and resolve problems amongst ourselves PEACABLY. If you wish your rights to be respected you must INSIST they be, or they will not be respected. It may be inconvenient but it is less inconvenient if those with YOUR DELEGATED authority abuse it IN YOUR NAME possibly against you. I wish there was a politician out there that understood and could articulate that concept well so more people would understand truly what it is they give up when they allow their delegated rights to be abused by those assigned by US to HELP protect.
    I like your analogy. It is wonderful that we live in a country that has these important protections available to our citizenry. I guess I look at it differently than many. I have a fire extinguisher in my home for my protection, too. But the only time I'm going to activate it is when something's on fire.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

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    I hate to be the bearer of bad news here, but the Constitution has already been shredded for all practical purposes. Between the Unpatriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, U.S. v. Kelo, the NDAA amendment, and others, constitutional principles are a thing of the past. Constitutional governance is a thing of the past. People can be arrested and detained indefinitely. Exposing government crimes has itself become a crime in the public perception.

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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Do you really think the embacy in Libya or Egypt is doing a damn think to negotiate peace? Sorry, but that is a bill of sale I'm not buying.
    Do you have proof that they are not?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Like Is aid, your answer is just "spend more". You're no different than liberals wanting the government to pay for continued stupidity.
    Hmm...I am against the wars that we are currently in. I would rather we withdraw from all conflicts and only leave enough troops in the various embassies to protect the ambassadors. And I would have no problem slashing our military spending in half, going through our welfare programs with a fine tooth comb getting rid of all those that can work but haven't worked for years, reducing or getting rid of many departments that are not needed and many other things.

    Yet you appear to want to get rid of something which is meant to produce peace? Wars cost more money than peace. Who's the one that wants government to pay for "continued stupidity"?
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Do you have proof that they are not?
    Hows that going in the M.E. and Africa again? Oh yeah, it's not. The proof is in the conflicts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm...I am against the wars that we are currently in. I would rather we withdraw from all conflicts and only leave enough troops in the various embassies to protect the ambassadors. And I would have no problem slashing our military spending in half, going through our welfare programs with a fine tooth comb getting rid of all those that can work but haven't worked for years, reducing or getting rid of many departments that are not needed and many other things.

    Yet you appear to want to get rid of something which is meant to produce peace? Wars cost more money than peace. Who's the one that wants government to pay for "continued stupidity"?
    Meant to produce peace? Tell us which embacy has "brought" peace that couldn't have been done in another way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Hows that going in the M.E. and Africa again? Oh yeah, it's not. The proof is in the conflicts.

    Meant to produce peace? Tell us which embacy has "brought" peace that couldn't have been done in another way.
    Do you really expect a peace process to work over night in an area that has had thousands of years of conflict? And yeah, sure, other ways can be used to bring about "peace". But are they better ways? Ways in which freedom is still allowed? Ways in which thousands of lives are not taken in a short time span? Or should we just use another A-bomb like we did with Hiroshima?

    Anyways, I think we've strayed from the topic of the OP. I'm going to stop responding to this subect in this thread. Want to continue? Start another thread and direct me to it.
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    Re: T.S.A. Expands Duties Beyond Airport Security

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Yet another governmental agency using the terrorism threat to circumvent the U.S. Constitution and harass American citizens without probable cause.

    I sure hope the "I'm okay with it" meme crowd is against these practices.
    I said this sort of thing was coming a long time ago. It's not the first, they have been all over the place, from train stations to bus stations to mobile units that xray vehicles while they are beside them.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care about something that has the potential to save your life? I've never understood the mindset, frankly. If they'd have been in the right place at the right time, the Boston bombing could have been prevented. We live in a complicated world. Strangers are trying to annihilate us. I wish they'd walk around with portable metal detectors. Might get some illegal guns off the streets.
    The problem with the 'if you are doing nothing wrong', is that it is the government, who is militarizing, that determines if what you are doing is 'wrong' or not. The way it is supposed to work is you are left alone unless there is a REASON to no do so. They never would have stopped the Boston bombers, they are too top heavy and inefficient, just like most 'government'. Hell, the only reason they found the bomber was due to a private citizen.
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