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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans | Reuters


    Federal Agents, Under Eric Holder, Caught Using NSA Wiretaps To Prosecute Americans… And Hiding Where Info Came From!

    1984 anyone
    the war on drugs really set us down the road to the destruction of rights and protections. With the unprecedented amount of technology around today it is not surprising we have a problem. I personally think the US needs to define some new limits to what people can reasonably expect to privacy in the way of a constitutional convention more governed by representatives with much more connection to the people. These things are just going to keep getting worse and worse because we have little to nothing to go on here in regards to what the founding fathers intended because they probably could not even imagine this level of technology.

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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    There are several ways this could be done:

    1. Congress could direct the Office of the Special Counsel to review the matter.
    2. Congress could adopt legislation to create an independent committee with robust authority to look into the matter (this approach was used to create the 9/11 Commission).
    3. Congress could charge one of its existing committees or create a special select committee to look into the matter.

    The second option would probably be best, but it is least likely. The President could veto the legislation. It currently appears that a comprehensive examination of the domestic surveillance issue lacks sufficient Congressional support to override any veto.
    Congress could do a lot of things, but I don't think it is realistic to expect the present system to start cutting back these powers in any meaningful way. You are right that they have the power, but to get to that point you need to be entrenched in that system and a person who becomes so will not go against the power of that system.

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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    There are several ways this could be done:

    1. Congress could direct the Office of the Special Counsel to review the matter.
    2. Congress could adopt legislation to create an independent committee with robust authority to look into the matter (this approach was used to create the 9/11 Commission).
    3. Congress could charge one of its existing committees or create a special select committee to look into the matter.

    The second option would probably be best, but it is least likely. The President could veto the legislation. It currently appears that a comprehensive examination of the domestic surveillance issue lacks sufficient Congressional support to override any veto.
    Any of the above would probably do the trick of clearing the air. But probably a a robust alternative would be more convincing.

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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    The DEA has a Special Operations Division (SOD) whose work is classified for the most part. They work on the coattails of the warrantless wiretapping program, which was intended to thwart terrorist activity, to eavesdrop on American citizens without a warrant. Once they illegally and unconstitutionally determine that a person might be involved in illicit drug activity, they contact local law enforcement who then make up some reason to perform a "routine" traffic stop on the individual, at which point drug dogs are brought in.

    If an arrest is made, the true nature of how the defendant became a suspect is kept hidden from the defense, and in some cases even from the prosecution and judge. Instead, a process known as "parallel construction" is invoked, whereby a "good" reason to perform the traffic stop is fabricated by the police.

    "It's just like laundering money - you work it backwards to make it clean," said Finn Selander, a DEA agent from 1991 to 2008 and now a member of a group called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

    "That's outrageous," said Tampa attorney James Felman, a vice chairman of the criminal justice section of the American Bar Association. "It strikes me as indefensible."

    Lawrence Lustberg, a New Jersey defense lawyer, said any systematic government effort to conceal the circumstances under which cases begin "would not only be alarming but pretty blatantly unconstitutional."

    Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Yet more civil liberties lost and Constitutional restrictions on government circumvented and ignored in the name of enforcing already unconstitutional drug laws. Boogey men make people stupid.

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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    AS much as I disagree with what the NSA is doing, I don't think this would be any different if Romney were President. Except that the Liberals would be outraged and the Conservatives would be falling all over themselves to defend it.
    Quite true. I dislike it under both, however.

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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans | Reuters


    Federal Agents, Under Eric Holder, Caught Using NSA Wiretaps To Prosecute Americans… And Hiding Where Info Came From!

    1984 anyone
    I seriously hope this leads to a lot of overturn convictions. The government has absolutely no business spying on Americans.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Many americans positively LOVE being spied on. Perverse, to be sure, but they actually feel safer.

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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Many americans positively LOVE being spied on. Perverse, to be sure, but they actually feel safer.
    Its part of that if you ain't got nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about mentality.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its part of that if you ain't got nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about mentality.
    Yep.

    Oliver STone remarked on this last few weeks: The question is not "do you have something to hide?" The question is whether we control the government or the government controls us.

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