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Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

"We have different ways of dealing with speech directed at different people" when one is a public figure and the other is a private figure.

Change your example from the public figure being the President to the public figure being Jay Leno. Right or wrong once an individual becomes a "public figure", the inherent right against outlandish accusations quickly departs.

Publicly expressed outright lies about anyone can be slander/libel is they are clearly false. Calling Obama, or any president involved in a war or deadly covert actions, a murderer is arguably true. If you say that publicly about your neighbor you need to be able to prove it if there is a lawsuit.
 
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the lefts war on freedom of speech and press

The liberal manifesto
I believe in free speech as long as I agree with that speech
I believe in freedom of the press as long as they are not critical of me
I believe in the freedom to protest as long as you don't protest me
I believe in free expression as long as you express my views

LOL where were you during the Bush years? Outerspace?
 
would you think the paper was safe to assume they would receive reprisal from this administration like they have proved they are more them willing to do with whom they think are a political threat
No

Nor do I think it's safe to assume that the paper would assume that.

At least not without some sort of evidence.


fwiw, the Chattanooga Free Press is the conservative side of that news operation. I suspect that they would wet their pants with joy if they were being leaned upon by Obama. It'd make an awesome story that would generate a great deal of traffic and therefore income.
 
Publicly expressed outright lies about anyone can be slander/libel is they are clearly false. Calling Obama, or any president involved in a war or deadly covert actions, a murderer is arguably true. If you say that publicly about your neighbor you need to be able to prove it if there is a lawsuit.

I did not imply or state stating such a thing about your neighbor could not result in a lawsuit. My comment was about public figures.
 
im not arguing against the news papers right to hire or fire. im arguing against the left thinking they have the right to protest the news paper and pressuring them to silence speech they don't like

you have the right to protest but you don't have the right to protest to have some one silenced. you cant use a right to violate some one elses rights

You are wrong and fortunately the law disagrees with you. Anyone has a right to call for anyone's firing as part of their free speech rights. The decision to fire or not is in the hands of their employers. It is within the employer's free speech rights to decide whether to take public opinion into consideration or not when deciding whether to fire an employee of a newspaper or other media outlet.
 
... you don't have the right to protest to have some one silenced ...
bull ****
 
Country stations were responding to calls and letters from their listeners.

So? As I said, according to the OP that's seemingly "supression of free speech" because people were calling and writing for them to stop speech.
 
You don't think Obama is being harmed by being called a Murderer but the neighbor is?

Not in any tangable sort of way, and the law agrees with me on this point. Public Figures require a higher burden of proof that they've been "damaged" by speech, in part because generalized negative speech about them has a harder time cause legitimate "harm" to them compared to the same with non-public figures.

I have the feeling that both of them dislike being called something that should offend them so there goes your "rights as long as I don't harm others theory".

Again, you show your ignorance on this issue. "Being offended" is not "harming". You are not free to be "offended". The issue with accusations of murder or other forms of slander/defamation for someone like your neighbor is not because it's "offending" them, it's because it has a legitimate potential to cause safety, legal, and economic issues for them.

If you say "That business had ****ty service" and it offends the business owner, too bad. If you start making up lies about the business and making an orchastrated effort to cost them customers, then you're running into an issue because you're tangably harming them through fraudulent speech.

As I said, if your theory was valid I could drive one hundred miles an hour and ignore all the red lights, as long as no one else was around, and it doesn't work that way, not in the real world.

No, that theory doesn't. Let's first ignore the idoitic obvious notions that 1) driving a car isn't speeech and 2) I've never suggested that EVERY action should be legal as long as it's not directly actively harming someone else...

You're on public road ways and regardless of whether or not you can see people at any given point there is a realistic and reasonable understanding that at any given point you could come upon another vehicle and that going at that high of a speed would prevent a significant risk to them. Your example is like firing a gun into the air in public and suggesting that it should be fine if the bullet doesn't come down and hit anyone. The fact that no one got hit, or the fact that no car got onto the road as you were flying down the highway, doesn't change the fact you're acting recklessly in a public location that at any moment could REASONABLY have other innocent citizens in the path of your reckless behavior.

If you're on your private property, on a dirt road you've made yourself, and you want to go flying around it at 100 mph that's no problem. There is no reasonable assumption that other motorists at any point could be going onto your road and thus being put in danger. However, going on PUBLIC roadways there is an expectation that other people have as much a right to use it as you and could use it at any given moment, and as such you need to be going at a speed that should adequetely allow you (and them) to account for each other in a safe manner.

You BADLY need to:

1) learn what you're actually talking about before you speak

2) stop functioning off a ridiculous stereotype of what anyone who has "Conservative" as their lean thinks and basing all your comments on that

3) cease attempting pathetic "gotcha" style posts when you're clearly lobbing up easy balls to knock out of the park.
 
It's his argument, not mine, that A has all the rights possible until he infringes upon the rights of B, which isn't true. It very much depends upon who is B therefore the argument fails.

Yes, it's my argument not yours...and Justabubba just basically seconded what I alreayd said and backed it up in showing you that there's a legal difference with regards to public figures and thus why saying something about Obama is different than saying such about the neighbor. Your issue is seemingly that you believe being offended is "infringement"
 
You do realize Tennessee is a very red state and the paper probably received more praise then criticism over the article from subscribers so it is very safe to assume the complaints came from out of state from non subscribers.

So? Do those individuals not have their own rights to speech? To protest? Does the paper owner not have the right to take consideratoin of complaints from non-subscribers?

And to use your own horrible style of arguments "We don't KNOW that the complaints weren't from subscribers!!!"
 
:eek:t How on earth do you manage to live in Herndon and be Conservative? :)

ROFL, well Sterling now...but I get your point. I'm actually not too tapped into the local political scene in the town. Grew up in Southwestern VA, school in the eastern part of the state.

And really, if there's any political position one would likely take from living in Herndon I'd think it'd be "God damnit, can we please get these mexicans...illegal or legal...to start using the goddamn crosswalks instead of crossing the streets to the 7-11 in herds?!"
 
You do realize Tennessee is a very red state and the paper probably received more praise then criticism over the article from subscribers so it is very safe to assume the complaints came from out of state from non subscribers. There are many left wing organizations that their sole purpose is to flood news organizations and businesses with complaints and threatening letters if any of them does anything that remotely is critical of Obama, and all of them do Obamas biding. It doesn't take much rational thought to connect the dots

The Chattanooga area only went about 60-40 Romney over Obama. They might very well have received more support than criticism from the subscribers in that area, but that doesn't mean its a good business idea to completely alienate 40% of them.
 
So? As I said, according to the OP that's seemingly "supression of free speech" because people were calling and writing for them to stop speech.

People called and wrote into country radio stations to stop playing dix chicks songs, that does not stop them from speaking.
 
People called and wrote into country radio stations to stop playing dix chicks songs, that does not stop them from speaking.

So we're back to, Liberals aren't allowed to do it. Conservatives on the other hand....well, that's different.
 
What it does is to put all journalist on notice, speak ill of Obama you're FIRED.

So the Dixie Chicks put all country singers on notice, Speak ill of Bush or the War on Terror or you'll be denied airplay?
 
Just the opposite of this situation actually.

Exactly the same actually. I respect the rights of people to complain about speech, to threaten to take their dollar elsewhere, to say as they please, not just when it is some one I agree with. That is what separates us. I do not defend free speech I like and condemn that which I don't.
 
Actually, it is.

Actually it isn't. If you own a newspaper, you can make the headline as you choose, but if some one else owns it, you do not have a right to make the headline as you choose.
 
What it does is to put all journalist on notice, speak ill of Obama you're FIRED.

No, it sends a message that employees are responsible to their employer for their actions as an employee.
 
Quote Originally Posted by Deuce
"Publishing misleading headlines in a newspaper you don't own isn't a constitutional right."

Actually, it is.

Only if you are authorized to do so by the owner. If you think otherwise, you need to provide proof, such as court decisions. The proof sure isn't in the constitution.
 
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