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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    If Jon Stewart can call Obama "Dude" to his face on national TV and everyone laughs, including Obama, it's already been established that there isn't much of a baseline of dignity or respect expected for Obama. e

    The fact of this firing simply shows the left's increased sensitivity now that the Obama presidency has resulted in such an unmitigated disaster in front of the entire world.
    so, on one hand you object to the lack of respect shown by the editor's revised headline

    but you then also object to the editor's being fired for it

    notice how your position, like your post, makes no sense
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Okay, so you're just ignorant of why "yelling fire in a crowded theater" is illegal.

    It's not because it's "untrue". It's because yelling such a thing in a crowded location with minimal exits is realistically likely to cause a paniced situation that has a high proability of leading to injury to some of those within the location.

    It's why the example is always "in a crowded theater".

    I could walk out to the middle of a park at 6:00 PM tonight when it's almost empty and shout out "FIRE!" and it not be illegal, because the conditions aren't such that I'm posing a legitimate threat to the public with my words.
    Good. You have some idea what you are talking about. Now yell "fire" in the park but this time have someone hear it, call the fire department, and on the way to your fire the truck rolls and a fireman dies. The charge against you is now Manslaughter. It's never as simple as you think. As for speaking (and writing) untruths, we have laws on that as well. We call it Slander, Libel, and Perjury.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Good. You have some idea what you are talking about. Now yell "fire" in the park but this time have someone hear it, call the fire department, and on the way to your fire the truck rolls and a fireman dies. The charge against you is now Manslaughter.
    One, you're making some grand assumption there that such would absolutely result in a manslaughter charge.

    Two, it still doesn't change the fact that it is occuring because you've said something that REASONABLE reaction to led to the infringement of another persons rights.

    It's rational and reasonable to suggest that someone who hears someone yell "fire" may contact the fire department.

    It's not rational and reasonable to suggest that someone who hears someone say "Gays are vile sinners", for example, is going to go off and murder someone.

    It's never as simple as you think.
    The irony of this statement after your elaborate lead in filled with assumptions as if they're unquestionable facts is astounding.

    As for speaking (and writing) untruths, we have laws on that as well. We call it Slander, Libel, and Perjury.
    I know, I spoke about them in post 62, 5 posts befoer the one you quoted.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    So I'm trying to understand this bizarre logic...

    Let's say a Newspaper comes out with the editor putting in a headline on page one going "Conservatives are a bunch of cocksucking racists"

    Are you suggesting people don't have a right to stop buying that paper?

    OR are you suggesting they have the right to stop buying that paper, but don't have a right to state the reason for why they're stopping buying that paper?

    OR are you suggesting they have the right to stop buying the paper, and why they won't buy the paper, but they can't say they'd be open to buying it again if the editor is fired?

    Or are you suggesting they have hte right to stop buying the paper, state why they won't buy it, state they'll buy it again if he's fired, but can't state that the guy SHOULD be fired?

    I'm confused here at which point SPECIFICALLY you feel that the paying publics speech/action should be not allowed....

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I know, I spoke about them in post 62, 5 posts befoer the one you quoted.
    Good. Now tell me why calling Obama a murderer won't get me in trouble but saying the same thing about my neighbor, even if he is one, likely will? It's all Free Speech right? Tell us why we have different ways of dealing with speech directed at different people? Doesn't Obama have a right not to be called something false or slanderous just like the guy next door?

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Perhaps you mis-stated this?
    Subscribers have no right to express their opinions to the the newspaper they subscribe to? It seems like a God-given right to expression would cover the right to tell a service provider what you think of their services, imho anyway.
    I think that some service provider actively seek out the opinions of their subscribers. Are we quite sure that these people have no right to express their opinions to the paper about the paper?
    Complaining to the paper about its content is not a violation of someone's rights afaict.

    do we know the contents of the complaint? how do we know it wasn't "you fire that SOB you have him silenced or else" or was it "i didn't like what that man said but he has the right to say it" and how do we know the complaints was not directed by the white house or from the many organizations that do his bidding? we all know how thin skinned Obama is. He recently chastised the Huff and Puff post for stepping out of line and for once wrote a somewhat critical article about him. i bet they wont do that again

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Having seen the title of the editorial, I'd have to say that it's in poor taste for the editorial page of a newspaper that considers itself serious. I think the President is a disaster, but having the media pulpit and telling the President of your country to "shove it" is a little over the line.

    This isn't a free speech issue - it's an employee conduct issue. The fired editor is free now to say whatever he likes about President Obama and not have his words speak for his former employer. Any person employed by another can be fired if their conduct crosses what is included in morality clauses and codes of conduct. Maybe he should have checked with his boss, or the owners of the paper, before he authorized the headline. Then, if they had approved, he'd still have his job or a good wrongful dismissal case.
    True enough, but it's funny how the standard has suddenly changed.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    Good. Now tell me why calling Obama a murderer won't get me in trouble but saying the same thing about my neighbor, even if he is one, likely will?
    Well, calling Obama a murder COULD possibly get you in trouble depending how you went about it, but it would require a far higher burden for the government to manuever over to be able to do anything about you. This is because he's a public figure, and as seemingly known commodoties the proof of harm from claims against them is much higher.

    If I say Christian Bale is a murderer, most of those that hear it would have reason to be immedietely HIGHLY skeptical and not believe it. He's a famous actor, he's covered by magazines and shows and papers all over. He's well within the public eye. If he killed someone it would be massive news that people would be highly likely to know about, so there's little reason for my random statement about him to be taken serious by almost anyone and thus would have little to no likely harmful effect on him.

    If I say Bill, my next door neighbor, is a murderer then that's a different situation. People have less reasons to be immedietely highly skeptical of me and not believe it. He's not famous, he's not well known, there isn't any great amount of coverage on him and his life. There's no reason for a random person I talk to at work to know whether or not "Bill" is a murderer or not. There is a far greater chance of damage being caused to him due to that defamation because there is not a preconcieved general understanding regarding him in the greater public at large.

    To go further on that point as well, context of course matters greatly. If I called my neighbor "Bill" a murder in a statement saying "I can't beleive my neighbor eats so much steak all the time, the man is a murderer with all the cows that have been slaughtered to feed him", then there's likely nothing to come of it even though he's not a public figure. In the context, it's clear I'm stating an opinion regarding the issue of eating animal meat and not making a statement suggesting a literal accusation of murder, the legal term.

    Similarly, most of the time when people are talking about "Obama" or "Bush" being a "murderer", it's actually statement of opinion and not a claim of concrete legal fact...typically resolving around things like military action or laws they've passed. Combined with the higher standard for public figures and the ability to show LEGITIMATE HARM being done is extremely problematic.

    Which DOES go back to the notion that our rights are meant to be generally protecetd from infringement by the government save for instances where the infringment is necessary to prevent the realistic harm of others.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    do we know the contents of the complaint? how do we know it wasn't "you fire that SOB you have him silenced or else" or was it "i didn't like what that man said but he has the right to say it" and how do we know the complaints was not directed by the white house or from the many organizations that do his bidding? we all know how thin skinned Obama is. He recently chastised the Huff and Puff post for stepping out of line and for once wrote a somewhat critical article about him. i bet they wont do that again
    If there's any proof that the government actually took actoin to get the guy fired, then that's a problem. There's absolutely zero proof aof that right now. Saying "how do you know" is not legitimate reasoning to get upset.

    How do you know that the Founder's weren't actually space aliens that created the constitution in league with the Devil!? We must seriously consider, act, and rant based on it being true because HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S NOT?!!!!!!! OMG!!!!

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
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    the lefts war on freedom of speech and press

    The liberal manifesto
    I believe in free speech as long as I agree with that speech
    I believe in freedom of the press as long as they are not critical of me
    I believe in the freedom to protest as long as you don't protest me
    I believe in free expression as long as you express my views
    Is is really any surprise that supporters of Obama are more sensitive? not to anyone that follows that group. I mean this is the same group that thinks it is ok to draw unemployment for two years instead of moving or taking on a new a career. This is the same group that thinks it is ok to draw disability because you have pain.

    We are now dealing with the most sensitive group of people in our lifetimes.

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