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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    The majority Founding Fathers felt that the Natural rights of humans (Life, Liberty and Pursuit of happiness) as put forth in the Declaration of Independence was adequate and didn't need re-stating in the Constitution. Many felt the Constitution should solely be a frame work for operating a National Government. It was felt that including these specific rights would imply that rights not granted by the National Government would be largely ignored. Eventually James Madison and most of the Founding Fathers came to agree with the addition of the Bill of Rights, but they still referred to the Declaration of Independence as the founding philosophy for our rights, and stated the Bill of Rights was not meant to be a replacement. Our Natural rights stem from and are granted by our Creator and the People, not the Federal Government.

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    There are several problems with this. The biggest one, and the one I will deal with, is that what they actually did put into law was the first amendment. Nowhere in the Bill of Rights, nor even the Declaration of Independence does it say that you have a right to put whatever you want into a newspaper privately owned by other people. Your failure to understand the constitution of this country and the history of this country is sad, but correctable.
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Seems like I remember some very inflammatory Bush headlines. Funny though, I can't recall anyone ever being fired over them.
    Can't speak of journalists, but in talking the broader notion of censorship I seem to remember country stations across the U.S. boycotting the Dixie Chicks and not playing hteir music any more after thier statements about Bush.

    Funny, I wonder if the OP believes there's a "conservative manifesto" about stifiling speech they don't like....

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

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    Dan Rather
    Cmon, be honest.

    He wasn't fired for critiquing GW, he was fired for presenting the Killian Documents as facts in a effort to smear the President.

    Whats with you lefties and your general lack of honesty ?

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are several problems with this. The biggest one, and the one I will deal with, is that what they actually did put into law was the first amendment. Nowhere in the Bill of Rights, nor even the Declaration of Independence does it say that you have a right to put whatever you want into a newspaper privately owned by other people. Your failure to understand the constitution of this country and the history of this country is sad, but correctable.
    What you know that he doesn't, Freedom of the Press belongs to those who OWN one.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

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    I don't believe that our rights come from Government.

    So please Pbrauer...do I have a brain? Or are you going to retract your ignorant attempt to broadly insult?
    Our rights are(in theory) protected by the government. It works out about the same.
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It was written so the government could not take them away.

    See, when you're talking about rights "granted by our creator" in a general sense, then you're speaking about nature. And in nature, the notion that "your rights end where mine begin" is non-existant. You have the right to say what you want in nature...I have the right to punch you in the face and gag you in nature as well. Might makes right.

    It is only through coming together and forming a social contract that we agree that we will respect the rights of each other and that we will set down established guidelines (IE laws) as to how we deal with situations where our rights interfere with each other.

    When it comes to speech, the press, etc...the GOVERNMENT is limited by the Bill of Rights from infringing upon it. However, there is no such limitations on private individuals or businesses placed by the BOR.

    That's because you start getting into conflicting rights. The "government" doesn't have rights, but a business owner does.

    One persons "Right to free speech" doesn't trump another persons "Right to assembly" of his choosing. Specifically, if an individual no longer wishes to employ you it's his right to NOT employ you in a state like Tennessee.

    What you have here is a situation where BOTH individuals have "rights" that conflict...because YOU agree with the speech, because YOU are critical of what he is critical of, because YOU agree with his protest, because YOU agree with his views, you come down on the side of the rights of the editor while squashing the rights of his employer. You do the same thing you accuse others of doing.
    your rights and liberty doesn't give you the right to infringe on other persons rights and liberties. You have the right to protest against speech you don't like or disagree with but you don't have the right to have that speech or person silenced

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    What you know that he doesn't, Freedom of the Press belongs to those who OWN one.
    Also that freedom of speech extends to the freedom to not buy products, such as newspapers. Boycotts and the threat thereof are an American tradition. I wonder if he buys news sources he dislikes just to ensure they have the freedom of the press...
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Our rights are(in theory) protected by the government. It works out about the same.
    Working out the same way and actually being the same are different, especially when it's being stated that if you don't believe exactly the same OPINION that Pete has you don't have a brain.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't believe that our rights come from Government.
    Well there's your first mistake. Which would you rather have defend you in court, God or a Lawyer? Choose wisely, and in the real world.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    your rights and liberty doesn't give you the right to infringe on other persons rights and liberties. You have the right to protest against speech you don't like or disagree with but you don't have the right to have that speech or person silenced
    If I own a newspaper, I have an absolute right to determine what goes in and what does not.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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