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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Name one reporter who was ever fired for being critical of Bush?
    Dan Guthrie and Tom Gutting.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    of coarse it has to be something else. no Obama supporter would ever make a newspaper fire a reporter for being critical of Obama
    I didn't say that at all ... I was just giving you some good advice ... wait a bit to make sure s/he wasn't really fired for another reason and is just giving this as a reason ... but of course I can see a lib firing someone for this reason ... both sides have their jerks ... just because you guys have more than your share, doesn't mean that libs don't ...

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    wrong it is an Inherent Right granted by our Creator.
    What "creator?"

    Besides, the right to free speech does not mean that every media outlet is obligated to provide a platform to every person who wishes to speak, or for every opinion.

    The editor basically told the President of the United States to "shove it." If that crosses the line for that newspaper's editorial policies and/or code of conduct -- written or unwritten -- then there is no problem whatsoever with terminating his employment.


    The left believes our rights come from government granted to them by the Bill of Rights.
    Incorrect.

    1) There are plenty of leftists and progressives who believe in intrinsic rights.
    2) There is no religious requirement in order to be a conservative or right-wing.
    3) There is no problem or contradiction in asserting conservatism / right-wing ideas and rejecting intrinsic rights (e.g. Mill).

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So does those on the Right that have a brain.
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


    sound familiar?

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    wrong it is an Inherent Right granted by our Creator. the bill of Rights wasn't written to give us those rights it was written so those rights could not be taken away. This is one of the fundamental differences between the Right and the Left. The left believes our rights come from government granted to them by the Bill of Rights. The Right knows they are Inherent Rights granted by our Creator and the Bill of Rights was to keep government from taking them away

    the Constitution isn't an enabling document is was written as a limiting document
    Since you seem confused about the constitution, let me help. Here is the First Amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Notice that it does not mention a creator, but it does mention congress. What does this tell you? This is a limit on the power of government, not of a private business.

    Now, can you show me where any creator said that people have the inherant right to be employed by a newspaper and write anything they want in that newspaper? Because I don't think that is a creator given right. I am not sure why you hate free enterprise so much, but it kinda is how things work in this country.
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


    sound familiar?
    That is the Declaration of Independence, not the Bill of Rights. Notice that it does not say that there is any creator endowed right to a job at a newspaper.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Dan Guthrie and Tom Gutting.
    ■NBC and National Geographic fired journalist Peter Arnett for giving an interview to an Iraqi television station in which he criticized America's planning for the Iraq war, stating: "Clearly, the American war plans misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces." [Associated Press, 3/31/03]

    ■The Fort Worth Star-Telegram fired real estate columnist Steve McLinden after he sent a private e-mail response to a statewide e-mail from the Young Conservatives of Texas, which advertised a protest of an upcoming speech by former president Bill Clinton. In his e-mail, which the Young Conservatives of Texas included as part of their anti-Clinton promotions, McLinden attacked the group as "heartless, greedy, anti-intellectual little fascists."

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since you seem confused about the constitution, let me help. Here is the First Amendment:



    Notice that it does not mention a creator, but it does mention congress. What does this tell you? This is a limit on the power of government, not of a private business.

    Now, can you show me where any creator said that people have the inherant right to be employed by a newspaper and write anything they want in that newspaper? Because I don't think that is a creator given right. I am not sure why you hate free enterprise so much, but it kinda is how things work in this country.
    The majority Founding Fathers felt that the Natural rights of humans (Life, Liberty and Pursuit of happiness) as put forth in the Declaration of Independence was adequate and didn't need re-stating in the Constitution. Many felt the Constitution should solely be a frame work for operating a National Government. It was felt that including these specific rights would imply that rights not granted by the National Government would be largely ignored. Eventually James Madison and most of the Founding Fathers came to agree with the addition of the Bill of Rights, but they still referred to the Declaration of Independence as the founding philosophy for our rights, and stated the Bill of Rights was not meant to be a replacement. Our Natural rights stem from and are granted by our Creator and the People, not the Federal Government.

    Bill of Rights a Summary

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
    sound familiar?
    Yeah. Isn't that from the Declaration of Independence rather than the Constitution?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Seems like I remember some very inflammatory Bush headlines. Funny though, I can't recall anyone ever being fired over them.
    Not exactly clear that this guy was fired for his criticizing Obama, imho. I know he says so.
    I may be wrong.

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