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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by ForcedAppeal View Post
    No, it doesn't
    Yes, it does. If a person is, "no longer needed", i.e. a reduction in the work force, would be considered a layoff and warrant issueing of unemployment.

    When unemployment is applied for, the unemployment office will contact the employer to find out why that person is no longer employed, at which time, the employer will have to give a reason.
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In a courtroom, the company would have to prove that, too.
    It will never be in a courtroom, the 'conservatives' have the game rigged against that. First you have to get by the review board, and as an out of work, receiving none of the excellent liberal program called unemployment benefits just how do you plan on taking your old boss to court? Bet you your shiny non-union button your boss can drag any court processing out for months with delays while you sit wishing you didn't live in a right to work state.

    And remember in many right to work states the loser pays the winner's court costs. All your boss needs is for the foreman to back the late to work and argumentative story up. Who backs your story up?

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yes, it does. If a person is, "no longer needed", i.e. a reduction in the work force, would be considered a layoff and warrant issueing of unemployment.

    When unemployment is applied for, the unemployment office will contact the employer to find out why that person is no longer employed, at which time, the employer will have to give a reason.
    no longer had a need for his skill set
    now, tell us what is illegal about that
    or even how the employee will fight to get his job back
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Roy Exum: Why Drew Lost His View

    Sunday, August 04, 2013 - by Roy Exum

    Several months after Drew Johnson was hired in June of 2012 to write editorials for the conservative side of the Chattanooga News Free Press opinion pages, it became apparent to the staff and readers alike that management had made another colossal blunder. Johnson exhibited two of the most “deadly sins” of a columnist – a brash arrogance and an inflated ego. Neither of the deplorable traits had ever been witnessed before on either of the opinion pages that make the Times Free Press unique in the publishing world.

    Worse, the founder of what Johnson claimed was a “free market think tank” was quickly identified as particularly mean-spirited, his perceived inner anger sometimes overshadowing his rightful opinions. Anyone who thinks that his sophomoric headline directed at President Barack Obama this week to “shove it” was the reason he was unceremoniously dumped should study the circumstances. It was merely the straw the newspaper needed – and wanted -- to terminate its latest embarrassment.

    Roy Exum: Why Drew Lost His View - 08/04/2013 - Chattanoogan.com


    That all but proves that he was not fired for his opinion but because of his refusal to follow the rules of his employer. He was already on probation, which was proven because of having been placed under an editor of opinion pages, and he broke the rules of his paper once again. This time the straw broke the camels back and he was fired.

    Johnson should stop whining and look for a new job where he is allowed to break the rules etc.
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yep. you can be fired. in this instance for refusing to follow a direct order. but the employer does not even have to offer a reason for your termination; and the smart ones don't
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yep! Waste of time talking to you about this subject.
    You're both kind of correct.

    Bubba, most at will states have laws on the books that state you can't fire someone for violating public policy. An example of such a violation would be demanding they break the law (Source 1, Source 2). So, depending on the state apdst was in, he absolutely could try to sue for wrongful termination if it was explicitely stated OR could be legally proven that he was fired for refusing to undertake an illegal act.

    Apdst, Bubba is midly right in terms of the likelihood of succeeding IF your boss isn't a complete idiot. A reason is not required to be given in an At Will Employment job unless specifically specified within a WRITTEN contract between the employer and employee. A smart boss that is unhappy with you refusing to do an illegal action will either make some other claim as to why he's firing you OR just firing you for no reason at all (Saying something like "I just don't think you're a good fit in the office"). As long as they don't make it abundantly and obviously clear that the firing was due to a reason that is protected they're likely to be fine. The business owner has significantly more power in these situations than the employee.

    So yes Bubba, he COULD be fired apdst COULD be wrongfully fired if he was let go for refusing to do an illegal act. But yes apdst, there's a very easy way for the employer to fire you for your refusal and yet be legally in the clear depending on the reasoning he actually gives.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right! That's called a layoff, which means you have to pay unemployment.
    Correct. You still have to pay unemployment, but that doesn't change the fact that you've been removed from the job.

    Funny how Libbos throw people's right out the window, when those rights no longer serve their purposes.
    Funny how when a conservative editor gets fired the "Cons" are suddenly all in favor of trampling the rights of business owners. See how that works?

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Correct. You still have to pay unemployment, but that doesn't change the fact that you've been removed from the job.



    Funny how when a conservative editor gets fired the "Cons" are suddenly all in favor of trampling the rights of business owners. See how that works?
    And a layoff is different fron a termination.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're both kind of correct.

    Bubba, most at will states have laws on the books that state you can't fire someone for violating public policy. An example of such a violation would be demanding they break the law (Source 1, Source 2). So, depending on the state apdst was in, he absolutely could try to sue for wrongful termination if it was explicitely stated OR could be legally proven that he was fired for refusing to undertake an illegal act.

    Apdst, Bubba is midly right in terms of the likelihood of succeeding IF your boss isn't a complete idiot. A reason is not required to be given in an At Will Employment job unless specifically specified within a WRITTEN contract between the employer and employee. A smart boss that is unhappy with you refusing to do an illegal action will either make some other claim as to why he's firing you OR just firing you for no reason at all (Saying something like "I just don't think you're a good fit in the office"). As long as they don't make it abundantly and obviously clear that the firing was due to a reason that is protected they're likely to be fine. The business owner has significantly more power in these situations than the employee.

    So yes Bubba, he COULD be fired apdst COULD be wrongfully fired if he was let go for refusing to do an illegal act. But yes apdst, there's a very easy way for the employer to fire you for your refusal and yet be legally in the clear depending on the reasoning he actually gives.
    A "no cause" termination isn't absolute.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A "no cause" termination isn't absolute.
    At this point apdst, why don't you actually finally provide some actual sources and links to validate your claims in this thread. You've made a TON of claims, and all you've done to back it up is stating your opinion on things and what you think it is. I've provided NUMEROUS links and sources of various lawyers and various information regarding the law showing where you've been in error over and over again...and all you've basically been doing is repeating your personal views on what you think it is or can be done.

    Do you have anything to validate your various claims?

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