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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The editor should have been fired for such an outrageous Headline for his OpEd. The Presidency deserves more respect than that. Too bad the same standard isn't upheld when it's a Republican President.
    Of course the owner has the right to fire whomever he/she pleases. That being said stakeholders also have a voice. Employees can choose to stay or go elsewhere, subscribers can choose to continue or change papers ( hard to do in small towns) and advertisers will decide if they want to spend their advertising dollars with this paper.

    As to the Presidency. We do not elect royalty. Papers have a proud tradition of speaking truth to power and not kneeling at the feet of Presidents. Too bad that standard does not apply to newspapers today.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    As to the Presidency. We do not elect royalty. Papers have a proud tradition of speaking truth to power and not kneeling at the feet of Presidents. Too bad that standard does not apply to newspapers today.
    There is obviously a great deal of criticism of Obama. There was also a great deal of deference to Bush, Reagan and other Republican presidents.

    The guy didn't get whacked because he wrote an anti-Obama piece; that was basically his job, and the editorial had received approval to run. He got fired because he changed an approved headline to "Take your jobs plan and shove it, Mr President" after his editor went home for the day. And apparently, this wasn't the first time he had done so.

    So....

    1) Lots of smoke, no fire.
    2) Not a censorship issue.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    wrong it is an Inherent Right granted by our Creator. the bill of Rights wasn't written to give us those rights it was written so those rights could not be taken away. This is one of the fundamental differences between the Right and the Left. The left believes our rights come from government granted to them by the Bill of Rights. The Right knows they are Inherent Rights granted by our Creator and the Bill of Rights was to keep government from taking them away

    the Constitution isn't an enabling document is was written as a limiting document
    No, the fundamental difference between the right and the left is this: the right believes in the fallacy of natural rights. The left KNOWS that rights are based on social constructs of society and of the time.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, the fundamental difference between the right and the left is this: the right believes in the fallacy of natural rights. The left KNOWS that rights are based on social constructs of society and of the time.

    You are welcome for the correction.
    Is this what they are teaching in schools these days is this what the left believes? No wonder why this nation is in deep **** we as a nation are abandoning the very core principles this great nation was built upon

    Our rights are not granted by government they are not given by man they are unalienable Rights endowed by our Creator. it is one of the core principles that this nation was built upon. it is in the first official document of the United States the document that made The United States that thousands gave their lives to establish and protect. it is what you are calling a fallacy

    If you don't like the core principles that this nation was built upon, and you think it is a fallacy you are free to leave. it is one of your unalienable Rights

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    There is obviously a great deal of criticism of Obama. There was also a great deal of deference to Bush, Reagan and other Republican presidents.

    The guy didn't get whacked because he wrote an anti-Obama piece; that was basically his job, and the editorial had received approval to run. He got fired because he changed an approved headline to "Take your jobs plan and shove it, Mr President" after his editor went home for the day. And apparently, this wasn't the first time he had done so.

    So....

    1) Lots of smoke, no fire.
    2) Not a censorship issue.
    Don't consider it a censorship issue. Changing the heading was something that was allowed at this paper until this time when it was not as I understand. Whatever, like I said stakeholders will decide if they want to continue their relationship this this enterprise. Here is a real life example, I stopped contributing to NPR when they fired Juan Williams.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

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    Read more: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure | Fox News



    the lefts war on freedom of speech and press

    The liberal manifesto
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    I believe in freedom of the press as long as they are not critical of me
    I believe in the freedom to protest as long as you don't protest me
    I believe in free expression as long as you express my views
    Well said. Bravo.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, the fundamental difference between the right and the left is this: the right believes in the fallacy of natural rights. The left KNOWS that rights are based on social constructs of society and of the time.

    You are welcome for the correction.
    I agree with the fact that rights are inherent, but I am not going to call on the “Creator” and have someone mock that possibility.

    I prefer to state they are naturally inherent as part of the drive for individual survival. From birth a creature contains the drive to survive and prosper. Human babies are born weak and dependant, therefore they have an inherent right to expect nurturing and protection from their mother. Conversely, a mother has a right to defend her child. That’s not a social construct, that is a survival characteristic.

    Once a human reaches a stage when he can fend for himself, nature grants him the right to struggle to survive as an individual by any means necessary. This includes gathering food, discovering and using tools including those that make self-defense more effective, finding or constructing personal shelter, seeking mates to continue the species, etc., etc., etc.

    When meeting another human being, both have the same rights to self-defense against the other. The ability to communicate grants them the right to try to express their self-defense positions and negotiate survival agreements.

    I could go on and on but I think the point is fairly clear. Rights are not “social constructs” granted by communities. Privileges to ensure harmonious co-existence are granted by such agreements, starting from the basis of each individual’s inherent survival rights.

    This is not a "right v. left" thing.

    And YOU are welcome for THAT correction.

    P.S. I responded without realizing what the original thread was about. LOL Let me clarify my position on point: No one has a "right" to a job; but while an employer has a "right" to be a selfish, greedy, abusive dick, when he acts that way toward another human being when offerng employment...expect to trigger a self-defense response from the human being abused.
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Freedom of Speech. Just watch what you say.

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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Don't consider it a censorship issue. Changing the heading was something that was allowed at this paper until this time when it was not as I understand. Whatever, like I said stakeholders will decide if they want to continue their relationship this this enterprise. Here is a real life example, I stopped contributing to NPR when they fired Juan Williams.
    then you are the reason NPR is no longer on the airwav .... nevermind
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    Re: Editor fired for anti-Obama headline says bosses responded to pressure

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Freedom of Speech. Just watch what you say.
    Well, yeah...freedom of expression always comes with consequences...sometimes good and sometimes bad. When it comes to a job the employer has a right to think of the business' public image which might undermine profits. Like I said before, no one has a right to a job...but when employer's act like dicks they can expect to get yes-men for employees.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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