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Subsidies?


Wal-Mart is just one example of MULTINATIONAL CORPS. feeding at the public trough.

Examples are; billions of public dollars in tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance,/ low-cost/ zero cost financing, and grants from state and local governments. The cherry on top of this CORP cake is(from Wal-Mart’s perspective )is the public gets to chip in on the pay for its employees.

Let’s have a hip, hip, hooray for CORP WELFARE.:2wave:
 
What free market:roll: That word is based on ideology because no true free market exist. Time to look at reality and what we are really dealing with-Looking at Ireland, we see that low taxes did lead to economic growth until the financial bubble burst. They were banking (no pun intended) on growing their economy through financialization. We are a consumer base economy and we should use that to our advantage as far as having those service jobs pay well enough where employees are making a middle income living. I wish we had stronger unions to set a standard of wages in this country but we don't and probably won't with the new anti-union laws going through many states. I suppose we will have to depend on the government to set a standard because big business will not.

That is your opinion because you are looking at only part of the economy, those big "evil" corporations that aren't the backbone of the economy. What You and your ilk are doing is hurting the small businesses in this country not those big corporations.

As for stronger unions, that is a pipe dream of someone who doesn't understand how unions have hurt this country today. If you truly cared about the workers you would demand that unions stop paying excessive salaries to their management and stopped pricing themselves out of business. I understand that some liberals like you have no problem with income but union wages and benefits drive up costs to other consumers who cannot afford what you can.

You are so brainwashed that the govt. is the answer that you ignore the reality that the govt. is the problem. Who pays for that 3.77 trillion dollar govt? You are so concerned about corporate greed that you ignore govt. greed. Govt. takes the first dollar a business makes and will be there to take the first dollar that the new business owner makes when that old business owner is forced out of business by high costs due to govt. regulations.
 
Wal-Mart is just one example of MULTINATIONAL CORPS. feeding at the public trough.

Examples are; billions of public dollars in tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance,/ low-cost/ zero cost financing, and grants from state and local governments. The cherry on top of this CORP cake is(from Wal-Mart’s perspective )is the public gets to chip in on the pay for its employees.

Let’s have a hip, hip, hooray for CORP WELFARE.:2wave:


Tax breaks mean that companies keep more of what they earn, free land and infrastructure assistance creates jobs and tax revenue for the states and local communities having nothing to do with the Federal Govt. Yes, that evil Wal-Mart that provides competitive prices for the local community, pays their share of local and state taxes, and employs thousands who also pay taxes. We need to do away with those evil companies and lets all work for the govt?

How about a little intellectual honesty for a change from people like you rather than the jealousy and total lack of understanding of our economy?
 
It's a false conclusion. Take Sweden
and Ireland and compare the two
countries. One spends far more on social spending and one far less. Whose economy is in dire straights? Loosening of financial regulations in the global economy was a bad idea. Using this economic meltdown as an excuse to restructure all countries economy is brillant. Only, real solutions are not being implemented in most places. Instead, privatization is taking place on a massive scale while many social contracts are being dismantled. The real issue was deregulations of the banks. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if the meltdown didn't happen.

But it wasn't the "loosening of financial regulations " that caused the financial collapse.

In fact it was NEW Regulatory functions placed on banks and our GSEs in the 90s that CAUSED the finincial collapse.

The Frank-Dodd legislation ( two politicians that should be cooling their heels in prison over their part in the Financail Collapse ) hasn't done a thing to improve access to highly liquid and static credit markets.

The Democrats believed their own manufactuted narratives that were used to describe the collapse and never addresses the real issues.

Irelands economic issues are similar to ours as their Govt does everything in their power to sugar coat a endemic and systemic cancer.

And Sweden ? They've poisoned their society with the false promise of " the benefits of a multi-cultural state".

Now they are a just another nanny state to a population of people who will never assimilate. Providing massive amounts of perpetual Govt support as their crime rates rise.

Sooner or later they will have to pay the piper and account for their foolishness.
 
But it wasn't the "loosening of financial regulations " that caused the financial collapse.

In fact it was NEW Regulatory functions placed on banks and our GSEs in the 90s that CAUSED the finincial collapse.

The Frank-Dodd legislation ( two politicians that should be cooling their heels in prison over their part in the Financail Collapse ) hasn't done a thing to improve access to highly liquid and static credit markets.

The Democrats believed their own manufactuted narratives that were used to describe the collapse and never addresses the real issues.

Irelands economic issues are similar to ours as their Govt does everything in their power to sugar coat a endemic and systemic cancer.

And Sweden ? They've poisoned their society with the false promise of " the benefits of a multi-cultural state".

Now they are a just another nanny state to a population of people who will never assimilate. Providing massive amounts of perpetual Govt support as their crime rates rise.

Sooner or later they will have to pay the piper and account for their foolishness.

You obviously need to read into the sub-prime meltdown. Fact, most high risk sub-primes were originated by non-bank lenders. Feel free to blame poor people for it. Why change your narrative now?
 
You obviously need to read into the sub-prime meltdown. Fact, most high risk sub-primes were originated by non-bank lenders. Feel free to blame poor people for it. Why change your narrative now?

Just where the hell is Franklin Raines and why isn't he in jail?
 
Oh, there is an accumulation of centralized power in this country and its called private public initiatives. We are funding tons and tons and tons of tax dollars for these initiatives that go into private interest pockets. So, I will agree with your post. Things have gotten out of hand.
Cool. Then join with me and let's return to our Constitutional moorings. You won't like it right away. Freedom is an acquired taste.
 
No, many states don't allow public union's collective bargaining. They equally got federal money for things like their schools to function so the union thing is nothing but a strawman. Also, the paradigm shift moves away from unions through laws and diluting their power to collective bargain. The shift is to privatize and consolidating power into corporate hands. Competing voices are not aloud. What do we call it when competing voices are crushed? Since the onset of all these anti-collective bargaining laws and right to work laws in many states, union membership is down to bare bones. I'm really not sure how they are going to function anymore unless we have a national movement back toward worker's rights and setting standards for workers like decent wages but I'm not so sure if that going to happen.
You just cannot say any truthful thing can you?

The stimulus money went to the states to keep union members (public sector unions) employed long enough to work for and get the Marxist re-elected.

Everything else you said is irrelevant given that central point.
 
Wal-Mart is just one example of MULTINATIONAL CORPS. feeding at the public trough.

Examples are; billions of public dollars in tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance,/ low-cost/ zero cost financing, and grants from state and local governments. The cherry on top of this CORP cake is(from Wal-Mart’s perspective )is the public gets to chip in on the pay for its employees.

Let’s have a hip, hip, hooray for CORP WELFARE.:2wave:
I cannot recall a time when I have seen so much sheer, unadulterated dumbness in one post. Next time spread the dumbness out over at least a dozen posts.
 
You obviously need to read into the sub-prime meltdown. Fact, most high risk sub-primes were originated by non-bank lenders. Feel free to blame poor people for it. Why change your narrative now?

LOL !!

You want to go down that road with me ? I'm one of the few here that have ACTUALLY " read into " the Sub-Prime Collapse as you hold on to bits and pieces of ignorance and pretend you're a authority on the issue.

As always, with you people, my input into a debate concerning the Sub-Prime Collapse will either leave you much more educated, or will relegate you into the loose association of absolute lunatics who blame it ALL on Bush.

You may read their hilarity in the Partisan section of this forum.

I'll give you a bit of information and lets see if your'e gullible enough to take the bait.

In the Spring and Summer of 1994, Secretary Henry Cisneros met with leaders of major national organizations from the housing industry to solicit their views about establishing a national homeownership partnership.”
- HUD, "Partners in the American Dream", May 1995


“In 1994, at the President’s request, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) began work to develop a National Homeownership Strategy with the goal of lifting the overall homeownership rate to 67.5 percent by the end of the year 2000. While the most tangible goal of the National Homeownership Strategy was to raise the overall homeownership rate, in presenting the strategy HUD pointed explicitly to declines in homeownership rates among low-income, young, and minority households as motivation for these efforts.” - U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development Office of Policy Development and Research website

"At the request of President Clinton, HUD is working with dozens of national leaders in government and the housing industry to implement the National Homeownership Strategy, an unprecedented public-private partnership to increase homeownership to a record-high level over the next 6 years.” - Urban Policy Brief Number 2, August 1995

“Federal institutions, policies, and programs alone cannot meet President Clinton's goal of record-high levels of homeownership within the next 6 years. HUD has forged a nationwide partnership that will draw on the resources and creativity of lenders, builders, real estate professionals, community-based nonprofit organizations, consumer groups, State and local governments and housing finance agencies, and many others in a cooperative, multifaceted campaign to create ownership opportunities” - The National Homeownership Strategy

Action 11: Removing Barriers to Mortgage Financing for Starter Homes
Action 29: Alternative Approaches to Homebuying Transactions
Action 35: Home Mortgage Loan-to-Value Flexibility
Action 36: Subsidies to Reduce Downpayment and Mortgage Costs
Action 44: Flexible Mortgage Underwriting Criteria
Action 45: Public-Private Leveraging for Affordable Home Financing

By 1996, HUD was directing the GSE's to provide at least 42% of their mortgage financing to low-income borrowers and 12% of their portfolios to “special affordable” loans. NOT BUSH'S GREAT RECESSION, CLINTONS GREAT RECESSION....

"This unprecedented public-private partnership is founded on a deeply rooted and almost universally held belief that homeownership provides important advantages that merit continued public support. The National Homeownership Strategy cites four fundamental benefits:” Urban Policy Brief Number 2, August 1995

"Through homeownership, a family...invests in an asset that can grow in value and... generate financial security."
"Homeownership enables people to have greater control and exercise more responsibility over their living environment."
"Homeownership helps stabilize neighborhoods and strengthen communities."
"Homeownership helps generate jobs and stimulate economic growth."

And article from the New York Times.....

" It is important to understand that, as GSEs, Fannie and Freddie were viewed in the capital markets as government-backed buyers (a belief that has now been reduced to fact). Thus they were able to borrow as much as they wanted for the purpose of buying mortgages and mortgage-backed securities. Their buying patterns and interests were followed closely in the markets. If Fannie and Freddie wanted subprime or Alt-A loans, the mortgage markets would produce them. By late 2004, Fannie and Freddie very much wanted subprime and Alt-A loans. Their accounting had just been revealed as fraudulent, and they were under pressure from Congress to demonstrate that they deserved their considerable privileges."

Now the Democrats are blaming the financial crisis on "deregulation." This is a canard. There has indeed been deregulation in our economy -- in long-distance telephone rates, airline fares, securities brokerage and trucking, to name just a few -- and this has produced much innovation and lower consumer prices. But the primary "deregulation" in the financial world in the last 30 years permitted banks to diversify their risks geographically and across different products, which is one of the things that has kept banks relatively stable in this storm."

As a result, U.S. commercial banks have been able to attract more than $100 billion of new capital in the past year to replace most of their subprime-related write-downs. Deregulation of branching restrictions and limitations on bank product offerings also made possible bank acquisition of Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch, saving billions in likely resolution costs for taxpayers.

"Beginning in 1992, Congress pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their purchases of mortgages going to low and moderate income borrowers. For 1996, the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) gave Fannie and Freddie an explicit target -- 42% of their mortgage financing had to go to borrowers with income below the median in their area. The target increased to 50% in 2000 and 52% in 2005."

"For 1996, HUD required that 12% of all mortgage purchases by Fannie and Freddie be "special affordable" loans, typically to borrowers with income less than 60% of their area's median income. That number was increased to 20% in 2000 and 22% in 2005. The 2008 goal was to be 28%. Between 2000 and 2005, Fannie and Freddie met those goals every year, funding hundreds of billions of dollars worth of loans, many of them subprime and adjustable-rate loans, and made to borrowers who bought houses with less than 10% down."

"Fannie and Freddie also purchased hundreds of billions of subprime securities for their own portfolios to make money and to help satisfy HUD affordable housing goals. Fannie and Freddie were important contributors to the demand for subprime securities."

quote from Fannie’s 2006 10-K report makes clear, is untrue

"We have made, and continue to make, significant adjustments to our mortgage loan sourcing and purchase strategies in an effort to meet HUD’s increased housing goals and new subgoals. These strategies include entering into some purchase and securitization transactions with lower expected economic returns than our typical transactions. We have also relaxed some of our underwriting criteria to obtain goals-qualifying mortgage loans and increased our investments in higher-risk mortgage loan products that are more likely to serve the borrowers targeted by HUD’s goals and subgoals, which could increase our credit losses."


I don't deal in narratives, only facts searched out and compared to the lefts goofy one dimensional generalizations and talking points.

Bill Clinton in 1995 ....READ ABOVE... unleashed a long list of executive orders on the American public in his 1995 National Homeowners Strategy, as his DOJ and more specifically his AG lowered threats on lending institutions to play ball or face prosecution.

Clinton's Home ownership Strategy among other things lowered capital requirements for the GSE,s from 10% to 3% and changed how banks met their CRA requirements. As damaging, as irresponsible as that was it wasn't enough to make sure that Fannie and Freddie were going to follow through, so from 1993 to 1998 he changed ALL OF THEIR EXECUTIVES and over HALF OF THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, including the CEO of Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines.

No, Wall Street and Investment banks didn't start poisoning the worlds financial markets with AAA rated mortgage backed Securities, Fannie Mae did, and it started THIS in 1997.

Remember the corrupt Ass-h** Eric Holder going after the credit rating agencies for giving toxic MBS's AAA ratings ? LOL !!! He used to work for Janet Reno, he used to threaten banks with prosecution of they didn't lower their standards. They were AAA rated because FANNIE MAE bought them and Bundled them.....duh.

Anyway, lets keep this going, you have obviously much to learn.
 
That is your opinion because you are looking at only part of the economy, those big "evil" corporations that aren't the backbone of the economy. What You and your ilk are doing is hurting the small businesses in this country not those big corporations.

Multiple academic and economic studies reveal that despite Wal-Mart's mantra of adding jobs and improving the local and national economy, the reality is exactly the opposite.

Between 1992 and 2002, the grocery industry lost 13,000 stores and thousands of jobs. For each Wal-Mart Super Center that opens, two grocery stores will close.
Source: Retail Forward

The Florida-based Winn-Dixie Supermarket eliminated 11,000 jobs to compete with Wal-Mart in 2000.
Source: Associated Press

In the first decade after Wal-Mart arrived in Iowa, the state lost 555 grocery stores, 298 hardware stores, 293 building supply stores, 161 variety stores, 158 women's apparel stores, 153 shoe stores, 116 drugstores, and 111 men's and boys' apparel stores.
Source: Iowa State University Study

Today Wal-Mart uses over 3,000 Chinese factories to produce its goods—almost as many factories as it has stores in the U.S. (3,600). Wal-Mart is America's largest importer. U. S. companies have moved operations overseas, while imports flood into the U.S., a combination that has cost millions of lost American manufacturing jobs.
Source: L A Times/Associated Press

Money spent at Wal-Mart does not stay in the community.

In Virginia, for example, 60 cents of every dollar spent downtown, stays downtown—compared to just six cents for every dollar spent at the so called "big box" store, such as Wal-Mart.
Source: Associated Press

"Three times as much money stays in the local economy when you buy goods and services from locally-owned businesses compared to chain stores."
Source: Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR), 2003

"The analysis found that the chain returned only 14.1% of its revenue to the local economy, mostly in the form of payroll. The rest leaves the state, flowing to out of state suppliers or back to corporate headquarters."
Source: ILSR, 2003

Local businesses rely on local services and suppliers (banks, manufacturers, accountants, lawyers, farmers, newspapers, internet providers, etc.). Wal-Mart uses international suppliers and corporate services.
Source ILSR

Local business owners live here. They care about our people and our future. In mid-coast Main, for example, local businesses make charitable donations at four times the rate of Wal-Mart.
Source: Main State Planning Office Statistics

Wal-Mart Associates don't earn enough to support a family.

A substantial number of Wal-Mart Associates earn below the poverty line. A "full-time" employee at 34 hours per week making the Wal-Mart average wage of $10.11 per hour (per Wal-Mart) will earn $17,874.48 per year. The federal government definition of poverty for a family of four in the contiguous US is $20,000.
Source: 2006 HHS Poverty Guidelines

One out of seven Wal-Mart employees has no health care coverage. Associates must wait one year before they are eligible for Wal-Mart health care coverage. A leaked Wal-Mart memo shows Wal-Mart employees spend 8% of the income on health care, nearly twice the national average. In addition, 46% of employees' children are either uninsured or on Medicaid (Medical).
Source: New York Times, 10/26/05

Wal-Mart has the highest employee turnover rate of industry, over 50% the first year. This translates into approximately 50,000 employees per month. In Wal-Mart's business model, high employee turnover is not a bad thing since it lowers payroll cost and means fewer employees qualify for benefits.
Source: New York Times, 10/26/05





FYI I didn't gather all of this, found it online.



Yes, Wal-Mart seems to be the backbone of the nation doesn't it?
My issue is that Wal-Mart and other huge multi national corporations pay lower tax rates than small businesses, I think all businesses should have to file as a corporation, and we should have a progressive corporate tax code.... In theory it could make sense, not sure how well this could be implemented. The largest companies shouldn't be able to pick up more steam from subsidies while the small businesses pay for it, this just leads to more "monopolies". Democrats and Republicans to blame here, I don't want a small government, I don't want a big government, I want a smart government.

As for regulations, I agree with you somewhat, but that argument is very generalized. For every regulation that protects us, there is probably a pointless one that is just another road block. I think we are paranoid in a sense, because we have some of these "protections" in place. It's a balancing act of sorts.
 
Conservative

Tax breaks mean that companies keep more of what they earn

Hhmm …sounds to me like you’re trying to justify the $40 Billion dollars Wal- Mart received from the good people of the lone star. Are you a Wal-Mart lobbyist?


free land and infrastructure assistance creates jobs and tax revenue for the states and local communities having nothing to do with the Federal Govt.

The problem with that scenario con is the jobs created by Wal-Mart are a drag on the very towns and community’s that gives up the free “land and infrastructure assistance”.

Take for instance the city of Alice TX. According to the 1990 census the population of Alice was 19,788.Wal-Mart got about $2.75 million from Alice, Jim Wells County and the lone star state.

According to the 2010 census the population of Alice was 19,788,now its 19104.Kinda makes you go hhmm doesn't it con? Wondering why people would leave the great metropolis of Alice Texas when wally world gotta big ole subsidy to replace a discount store with a supercenter?

The per capita income for the city of Alice in 2010 was $13,118.When you compare that to the median household income even of the lone star state…damn!no wonder people are leaving .Where are the friggen jobs wally world promised when they chipped in all that dough? :(

Yes, that evil Wal-Mart that provides competitive prices for the local community, pays their share of local and state taxes, and employs thousands who also pay taxes. We need to do away with those evil companies and lets all work for the govt?


small business owners, that wally world runs outta business who have a loyal customer base and pays their share of local and state taxes, and employs thousands who also pay taxes.
And I might add who more than likely pays there employee’s enough that they don’t hafta mooch money from the taxpayer to feed the family.


How about a little intellectual honesty for a change from people like you rather than the jealousy

What would you know about “intellectual honesty “?


and total lack of understanding of our economy?

Looken at your reflection in the monitor eh ?
 
To those bashing WalMart in here, they must want the middle class, and the poor to really suffer. WalMart like it or not brings a host products to these people that otherwise they would not be able to afford, including expanding their grocery buying power. To want to destroy that in the name of some quasi socialistic ideal of equity is a proven disaster.
 
To those bashing WalMart in here, they must want the middle class, and the poor to really suffer. WalMart like it or not brings a host products to these people that otherwise they would not be able to afford, including expanding their grocery buying power. To want to destroy that in the name of some quasi socialistic ideal of equity is a proven disaster.

You make a fair point. It is the same point made with free trade. It is also fair to look at the tradeoffs. With WalMart the tradeoff is the closing of higher cost neighborhood stores. In the case of outsourcing it is the tradeoff of cheaper goods versus the loss of American manufacturing jobs.

At least for me, little is black and white. Perhaps the reason I get bashed by both sides on this site.
 
You make a fair point. It is the same point made with free trade. It is also fair to look at the tradeoffs. With WalMart the tradeoff is the closing of higher cost neighborhood stores. In the case of outsourcing it is the tradeoff of cheaper goods versus the loss of American manufacturing jobs.

At least for me, little is black and white. Perhaps the reason I get bashed by both sides on this site.

Well, it is fair to say that the causality is more complex than I can articulate, or fully understand, but from a purely selfish standard of living standpoint, I hope that the WalMart's of the world are not demonized, and pushed out, because my buying power, and standard of living would suffer.
 
You make a fair point. It is the same point made with free trade. It is also fair to look at the tradeoffs. With WalMart the tradeoff is the closing of higher cost neighborhood stores. In the case of outsourcing it is the tradeoff of cheaper goods versus the loss of American manufacturing jobs.

At least for me, little is black and white. Perhaps the reason I get bashed by both sides on this site.

It's not really black or white, but I think we need to think about whether we see ourselves as consumers or citizens. Consumers have a right to be served while citizens have rights and also responsibilities. That last thing comes in handy when we have to weigh different perceptives, choices, trade offs and be part of that decision making. For instance, it may be my right to buy cheap goods but is it responsible to buy those goods if they were made in slave shops, if in doing so, I am harming my own community by driving down wages and working conditions, etc...etc...etc....Things like labor conditions, environmental impacts, community resources like safety net usage and other things come into play with decision making.
 
It's not really black or white, but I think we need to think about whether we see ourselves as consumers or citizens. Consumers have a right to be served while citizens have rights and also responsibilities. That last thing comes in handy when we have to weigh different perceptives, choices, trade offs and be part of that decision making. For instance, it may be my right to buy cheap goods but is it responsible to buy those goods if they were made in slave shops, if in doing so, I am harming my own community by driving down wages and working conditions, etc...etc...etc....Things like labor conditions, environmental impacts, community resources like safety net usage and other things come into play with decision making.


Is the answer to those conditions in bringing the rest of the world up to our standards, or dropping our standards down to theirs....?
 
They were AAA rated because FANNIE MAE bought them and Bundled them.....duh.

GSE's were responsible for mis-rating of mortgage securities?
 
Is the answer to those conditions in bringing the rest of the world up to our standards, or dropping our standards down to theirs....?

That is a good question. Do we lift things up or do we indulge in race to the bottom tactics?
 
Well, it is fair to say that the causality is more complex than I can articulate, or fully understand, but from a purely selfish standard of living standpoint, I hope that the WalMart's of the world are not demonized, and pushed out, because my buying power, and standard of living would suffer.

Granted, there is no one perfect answer. I also agree that people should be allowed to make whichever choice they think appropriate.
 
GSE's were responsible for mis-rating of mortgage securities?

Absolutely.

WHY were these MBSs rated AAA Kush ?

Because they were supposedlly backed 100% by the United States Government.

Which wasn't true of-course as only Mortgages bought and sold by GINNIE-MAE have a 100% US backing.

Fannie-Mae started turning low quality loans into toxic securities in 1997, long before they were created privately and it wasn't until after 2000 that they started to lose their market share.

By 2004 they had purchased over 40% of all privately created toxic MBSs.

An attempt to add false value of-course by manipulating demand.

Without a AAA rating Fannie and Freddie's corruption wouldn't have lasted but for a couple of years.
 
WHY were these MBSs rated AAA Kush?

Because ratings agencies failed with respect to risk management.

Because they were supposedlly backed 100% by the United States Government.

Real estate backed mortgage securities derive their value from the cash flow streams of mortgage payments. Bundling alternative risk classes is a private securitization method used to hide risk and provide high beta returns. The risk of a security is determined by the quality of the underlying mortgages that represent them, and hence a MBS composed of low FICO score borrowers should (by definition) should raise red flags by risk managers.

You seem confused.

Fannie-Mae started turning low quality loans into toxic securities in 1997, long before they were created privately and it wasn't until after 2000 that they started to lose their market share.

Absolutely false! The data is what is important, and you have nothing.

Toxic securities were primarily composed of adjustable rate mortgages, which were much more likely to go into default than standard fixed rate mortgages. Between 2001 and 2008, 88% of all mortgages purchased by GSE's were fixed. This varies heavily with respect to private mortgage origination and securitization, of which 70% of all private label loans were made up of ARM's.

By 2004 they had purchased over 40% of all privately created toxic MBSs.

You cannot even define a toxic MBS, nor do you understand the fundamentals of bond pricing necessary to make such determinist statements.
 
That is a good question. Do we lift things up or do we indulge in race to the bottom tactics?

I don't think that the problems outside our realm of control are solvable by our actions...If the rest of the world wants to come up to our standards, then I suppose they would have to take proactive measure in that direction.

It is like the old adage, 'Success is nothing new, or complicated, all one has to do is look at what the steps are, and copy them.'
 
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