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Mr.Nick said:
You're talking about a poll vs an official formula used by the government to determine the basis of unemployment...
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It's a sample survey, not a poll, and it IS the basis of the official formula. You realize you've never been able to give one cite that says that the UE rate is based on those collecting benefits. You just assert it.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
i think you don't understand what the definition of a dictator is.





Dictator - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

unless the republican party in detroit was prevented from voting, participating in the legeslature or the process of governing, or banned as a political party, i don't understand how you can call democrats dictators because they did not have Absolute power.

unless there is evidence you can provide that can show me otherwise.
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The closest word to describe progressive strongholds such as Detroit, Chicago, LA etc - not to mention states - is dictatorship...

When one party DICTATES OUTCOME for 70 years it is in essence a dictatorship - the simple fact these clowns were democratically elected means absolutely nothing.

There is no word in the English language that I'm familiar with that defines "democratic dictation."

The only difference between a dictator and progressive strongholds is democracy - other than that everything else is absolutely comparable.

To put it into context - in some areas democrats/progressives as a political party are collectively dictators...
 
Mr.Nick said:
The closest word to describe progressive strongholds such as Detroit, Chicago, LA etc - not to mention states - is dictatorship...

When one party DICTATES OUTCOME for 70 years it is in essence a dictatorship - the simple fact these clowns were democratically elected means absolutely nothing.

There is no word in the English language that I'm familiar with that defines "democratic dictation."

The only difference between a dictator and progressive strongholds is democracy - other than that everything else is absolutely comparable.
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And just to be clear, long held GOP cities/counties.....are dictatorships too.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yes that it is demographics. But the US working age population is growing faster than the number of US jobs to employ them, even as the number of those retired (and living longer) is also increasing.
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Per the 2010 Census, there are around 30,000 people aged 18-24. And nearly 50,000 people aged 62 and older.

The 18-24 cohort grew by 13% between 2000 and 2010. The 62+ cohort grew by 21%.

Unless I missed the "Baby Boom II" in the late 90s -- or, unless we have a major boost in younger employees due to immigration reform -- it's reasonable to expect the number of Americans in the workforce to continue declining.

So, where is this jobs deficit coming from again...?
 
Fenton said:
" Non-sequitur " only because there is a D next to our Presidents name.
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Since I'm not a Democrat, why would that make a difference to me? I never voted for Obama. It's a non-sequitur because Black Youth Unemployment has ****-all to do with a small number of discouraged workers. Seriously, what connection do you see?

Those numbers, or our current job numbers under a Republican president would invoke cries of racism, incompetence and failed policies.
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True, but the Republicans wouldn't be complaining about them.

All I ever read from you are justifications. A parsing of definitions.[/qiote] The correct definitions. I like accurate information, not people spreading falsehoods and spinning the data.

Personally I think that number is highly relevent.
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When talking about discouraged workers? Oh, it could be, but in the discussion at the time, it came out of nowhere and had no direct connection.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
i think you don't understand what the definition of a dictator is.





Dictator - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

unless the republican party in detroit was prevented from voting, participating in the legeslature or the process of governing, or banned as a political party, i don't understand how you can call democrats dictators because they did not have Absolute power.

unless there is evidence you can provide that can show me otherwise.
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You trust Obama

I don't

Dems Favor Federal Bailout of Detroit, But Majority of Public Opposed | RealClearPolitics

Creating dependency is 100% about creating control
 
trfjr said:
Despite the lackluster job growth, the unemployment rate still managed to tick down two notches to 7.4% in July from 7.6% in June.

Part of the reason: the labor force participation rate, which fell to 63.4% last month from 63.5% the month before.

The civilian labor force decreased by 37,000 to 155.80 million in July, while those not in the labor force rose by 240,000 to 89.96 million.


Labor Force Participation Rate Falls In July - Yahoo! Finance
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Sounds like it is time for more sequestration cuts.
 
pinqy said:
It's a sample survey, not a poll, and it IS the basis of the official formula. You realize you've never been able to give one cite that says that the UE rate is based on those collecting benefits. You just assert it.
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I know the government does a sample poll but it's like 50,000 people hence moot. 99.9% of the data is using the formula is factored by dividing the current unemployed by those receiving unemployment benefits..

Polls are absolutely worthless junk data.
 
Mr.Nick said:
The closest word to describe progressive strongholds such as Detroit, Chicago, LA etc - not to mention states - is dictatorship...

When one party DICTATES OUTCOME for 70 years it is in essence a dictatorship - the simple fact these clowns were democratically elected means absolutely nothing.

There is no word in the English language that I'm familiar with that defines "democratic dictation."

The only difference between a dictator and progressive strongholds is democracy - other than that everything else is absolutely comparable.
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Um if Detroit was a dictatorship there would have been no elections at all.

The republicans competed in elections with democrats in detroit, and are able to win elections on the city council level. Absolute power means having nothing or no one being able to stop the actions of the entity in power.

elections are not a sign of a dictatorship.

you think that just because one party won elections in a city for 70 years running, that makes that city a dictatorship? then by that definition does that imply that the states of Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, Alabama, and Mississippi are dictatorships run by republicans? maybe the reason why republicans were not able to win elections in Detroit was because voters were not convinced by the Republicans campaign promises or canidates and elected the democrats because the democrats ran better campaigns?
 
Papa bull said:
Remember the good ol' days when people just ranted about Iraq and Iran and didn't worry about jobs?
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Yeah, then the consequences of Bush's failed economic policies eclipsed his failed foreign policies.

Only a conservative would call that the good old days.
 
Mr.Nick said:
I know the government does a sample poll but it's like 50,000 people hence moot.
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60,000 households, so about 120,000 people.

99.9% of the data is using the formula is factored by dividing the current unemployed by those receiving unemployment benefits..
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Where on earth did you hear that nonsense? And it doesn't even make sense....divide total unemployed by those receiving benifits is the UE rate? Huh? That would be around 30%.

Polls are absolutely worthless junk data.
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And your alternative suggestion would be? And how is =/- 2% for the number of unemployed "useless?"
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Um if Detroit was a dictatorship there would have been no elections at all.

The republicans competed in elections with democrats in detroit, and are able to win elections on the city council level. Absolute power means having nothing or no one being able to stop the actions of the entity in power.

elections are not a sign of a dictatorship.

you think that just because one party won elections in a city for 70 years running, that makes that city a dictatorship? then by that definition does that imply that the states of Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, Alabama, and Mississippi are dictatorships run by republicans? maybe the reason why republicans were not able to win elections in Detroit was because voters were not convinced by the Republicans campaign promises or canidates and elected the democrats because the democrats ran better campaigns?
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Considering there is no word in the ****ing English language to define "This city/town/states policies have been dictated by one political party for the last X amount of years" It is appropriate to use the word "dictatorship."

I understand the definition of the word "dictator."
 
pinqy said:
60,000 households, so about 120,000 people.


Where on earth did you hear that nonsense? And it doesn't even make sense....divide total unemployed by those receiving benifits is the UE rate? Huh? That would be around 30%.

And your alternative suggestion would be? And how is =/- 2% for the number of unemployed "useless?"
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You do realize that polling "60,000 households" would be illogical and ignorant to determine the unemployment rate in a nation of 300,000,000 people right?? That's why the ignorant present economic formula is used.

I'm going to digress a bit more from the subject for a second and ask how the **** you concluded that 60,000 "households" equates into 120,000 people?

Where on earth did I hear that "nonsense" - in my statistics class'- that's where..

You ever been?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
LOL...of course you don't.
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Would you care to educate me wise one?

Oh yeah I forgot progressives believe that any government that has a "republican/conservative" head of state is by de facto "conservative/republican"... Thats because progressives believe leaders are dictators.. They never care to view the legislative bodies of a state or at times even this country as a whole when it comes to our congress.

The ****ing ignorance is astounding in this atmosphere at times.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Considering there is no word in the ****ing English language to define "This city/town/states policies have been dictated by one political party for the last X amount of years" It is appropriate to use the word "dictatorship."

I understand the definition of the word "dictator."
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if your claim about detroit being run by the democrats for 70 years was true, then all the mayors of Detroit from the year 1930 onward would have been democrats, and that is not the case if you look at the historical listings of Detroit's mayors.
 
Mr.Nick said:
You do realize that polling "60,000 households" would be illogical and ignorant to determine the unemployment rate in a nation of 300,000,000 people right??
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No, 60,000 households is an adequate sample size.

I'm going to digress a bit more from the subject for a second and ask how the **** you concluded that 60,000 "households" equates into 120,000 people?
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Because 2 is about the average number of people 16 years and older in a a household. I'm not claiming precision here, but it'll be clese.

Where on earth did I hear that "nonsense" - in my statistics class'- that's where..

You ever been?
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hehehe...yes of course...requirement for an economics degree. But you either misunderstood or your professor was wrong. You yourself poste a link on hte formula that doesn't support you claim. You have absolutely not support for your claim.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if your claim about detroit being run by the democrats for 70 years was true, then all the mayors of Detroit from the year 1930 onward would have been democrats, and that is not the case if you look at the historical listings of Detroit's mayors.
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List of mayors of Detroit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry, 51-years.......

Yeah you can do a lot of destroying in 51 years...

Besides, Mayors don't write legislation - their city council does and many cities/towns have republican mayors and democratic councils and many cities/towns have democratic mayors and republican councils...

I can tell you that Detroit has been ruled by a democrat majority in "city council (some call them wards or districts)" and by mayors since 1962 and the majority of mayors (75%) have been democrats in the history of the city (not that it maters since 1962)...
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Um if Detroit was a dictatorship there would have been no elections at all.

The republicans competed in elections with democrats in detroit, and are able to win elections on the city council level. Absolute power means having nothing or no one being able to stop the actions of the entity in power.

elections are not a sign of a dictatorship.

you think that just because one party won elections in a city for 70 years running, that makes that city a dictatorship? then by that definition does that imply that the states of Oklahoma, Wyoming, Idaho, Alabama, and Mississippi are dictatorships run by republicans? maybe the reason why republicans were not able to win elections in Detroit was because voters were not convinced by the Republicans campaign promises or canidates and elected the democrats because the democrats ran better campaigns?
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Have you seen pictures of Detroit?

Look at the statistics. Look at the population by race percentages.

Detroit, MI Population by Race and Ethnicity - CLRSearch

What's the literacy rate in Detroit? Do you know what it is?
 
I love how the progressives define a state or city as red or blue by their governor or mayor -- they clearly flunked out of civics...

The progressives in power want that tho...

Does any progressive here know how the **** a democratic republic actually works?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if your claim about detroit being run by the democrats for 70 years was true, then all the mayors of Detroit from the year 1930 onward would have been democrats, and that is not the case if you look at the historical listings of Detroit's mayors.
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It's not even debatable that Democrats have owned and ran Detroit like a dictatorship for decades. Blacks don't vote Republican. They've been brainwashed and conditioned to vote for Democrats by race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Obama's plan is to turn the country into Detroit. That's why he's increased Food Stamp rolls to 50 million +. Doubled disability and doubled the deficit within 5 years.
 
pinqy said:
No, 60,000 households is an adequate sample size.

Because 2 is about the average number of people 16 years and older in a a household. I'm not claiming precision here, but it'll be clese.



hehehe...yes of course...requirement for an economics degree. But you either misunderstood or your professor was wrong. You yourself poste a link on hte formula that doesn't support you claim. You have absolutely not support for your claim.
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a) I'm not mistaken about anything and b) you're using nothing more than conjecture.

Give me one good reason why the **** I would lie or would talk **** if I didn't know what I was talking about?

The best part is that the information is available to anyone who chooses to do the research.
 
Bronson said:
Have you seen pictures of Detroit?

Look at the statistics. Look at the population by race percentages.

Detroit, MI Population by Race and Ethnicity - CLRSearch

What's the literacy rate in Detroit? Do you know what it is?
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why bring race into this discussion? what does the fact that the majority of Detroit population is African American to do with the supposed idea that democrats elected in detroit are dictators?
 
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