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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    WallMart has a profit sharing plan. A truck driver who drove for them after 17 years recieved a check from them for over 750,000.
    Wow, that anecdotal story certainly makes up for all the people who worked there for years and still need food stamps and medicaid. All the lawsuits for working unpaid overtime under threat of job loss. All the shortened hours and other wage saving measures. I'm convinced!!

    Wal-Mart is the savior of America!!! Where do I sign up?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    If you haven't been following the arguments I'm not going to repeat them. I will say that it seems to me for an person who has lived long enough to retire in our society you seem to have a weak grasp of history. What's the old saying about it repeating itself?
    LOL, I hope I am around when you learn that you never knew as much as you thought you know now. My grasp of history is quite good just like my grasp of reality. One of these days you are going to realize it and I hope I am around to see that lightbulb go off in that head of yours.

    You see, we have a 17 trillion dollar debt today, a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, record numbers on food stamps, record numbers dependent on the taxpayers and you demonizing Walmart? You should be demonizing Federal Greed, not Walmart

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Wow, that anecdotal story certainly makes up for all the people who worked there for years and still need food stamps and medicaid. All the lawsuits for working unpaid overtime under threat of job loss. All the shortened hours and other wage saving measures. I'm convinced!!

    Wal-Mart is the savior of America!!! Where do I sign up?
    You can apply at any Walmart store in the nation and get in line behind the hundreds that actually want to work for Walmart

    You see you want to always point out the negatives but a company with over 2 million employees is always going to have some malcontents as well as some bad managers. You never destroy the company because of a few just like you don't use a few examples like you have to demonize management. The good still outweighs the bad and always will.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, I hope I am around when you learn that you never knew as much as you thought you know now. My grasp of history is quite good just like my grasp of reality. One of these days you are going to realize it and I hope I am around to see that lightbulb go off in that head of yours.

    You see, we have a 17 trillion dollar debt today, a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, record numbers on food stamps, record numbers dependent on the taxpayers and you demonizing Walmart? You should be demonizing Federal Greed, not Walmart
    The Federal government is not responsible for joblessness...unless you are holding them responsible for all those fair business practice laws that were passed as a result of sweat-shop, unsafe mining, and dangerous factory conditions as the primary cause of business flight overseas...where they can establish unsafe factories and work people long hours for short pay? In that case you'd be correct.

    The top 4,000 citizens control 90% of the wealth. They can afford to keep factories operating here in the USA and still make decent profits. I keep hearing so much about how little the owners of Wal-Mart donate to charity and how much people like Bill Gates and others do. Well I say we don't need "charity," we need reinvestment in Industry! We need a stable currency to significantly reduce inflation so that workers don't need to push for higher wages, and if they did employers could argue "on what personal contribution to productivity levels have you made individually?" Fiat currency is B/S!

    I am also concerned with all this government deficit spending, copied by citizen deficit spending (credit cards, mortgages, etc.). But it is the PRIVATE SECTOR that determines how many jobs we have in this country, not government. The PRIVATE SECTOR controls Congress, we citizens just get to vote on who they select every few years.

    So hell yes, I encourage the PRIVATE SECTOR to exercise a little enlightened self-interest when it comes to business practices. How much clearer can I be?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Captain Adverse;1062164236]The Federal government is not responsible for joblessness...unless you are holding them responsible for all those fair business practice laws that were passed as a result of sweat-shop, unsafe mining, and dangerous factory conditions as the primary cause of business flight overseas...where they can establish unsafe factories and work people long hours for short pay? In that case you'd be correct.
    wrong, govt economic policies affect how a private business person spends their money. You are so smart start your own business and find out if the govt. is responsible for any of your success or failure. Like all liberal programs they outlive their usefulness. You keep talking about business greed, when are you going to hold your govt. accountable for the same problem?

    The top 4,000 citizens control 90% of the wealth. They can afford to keep factories operating here in the USA and still make decent profits. I keep hearing so much about how little the owners of Wal-Mart donate to charity and how much people like Bill Gates and others do. Well I say we don't need "charity," we need reinvestment in Industry! We need a stable currency to significantly reduce inflation so that workers don't need to push for higher wages, and if they did employers could argue "on what personal contribution to productivity levels have you made individually?" Fiat currency is B/S!
    That is your opinion. How did any rich person make you poorer or affect your ability to become rich? Again, you totally ignore govt. greed because in your world spending in the name of compassion is always better than generating compassionate results.

    I am also concerned with all this government deficit spending, copied by citizen deficit spending (credit cards, mortgages, etc.). But it is the PRIVATE SECTOR that determines how many jobs we have in this country, not government. The PRIVATE SECTOR controls Congress, we citizens just get to vote on who they select every few years.
    So who made you a parent of someone else. The private sector continues to elect Congress so why the outrage over who they select? This past election kept things exactly the same.

    So hell yes, I encourage the PRIVATE SECTOR to exercise a little enlightened self-interest when it comes to business practices. How much clearer can I be?
    Then quit complaining about what a private entity pays its employees

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Earlier I wrote, "Perhaps you are just a fellow traveler...

    No. I think Marxist is a good lean."

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    If you really had something to say you wouldn't need to resort to projecting labels in a lame attempt to categorize and brush off opponents. It's a rather juvenile way of dealing with issues that you lack the capability to respond to. Have a nice day! LOL
    And yet...the shoe fits. You are wearing it.

    Brush you off? I see you as my enemy. You and people like you are destroying the nation. I am here to stop you.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I see, well if that's your measure I'll just label you a Nazi and dismiss your position as Fascist. You don't have to be one in practice, I'll just project the thoughts onto you. Wow. That was easy, now nothing you say has any value! Sweet! Have a nice day.
    National Socialism is socialism. Fascism, well, that is what we have here in the United States. The government controls businesses while maintaining a facade of private ownership. And you, no matter how much you want to hide it cannot conceal your disdain for free markets and free people, living in a nation whose government is tightly constrained by a written Constitution.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You see, we have a 17 trillion dollar debt today, a 3.77 trillion dollar federal govt, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, record numbers on food stamps, record numbers dependent on the taxpayers and you demonizing Walmart? You should be demonizing Federal Greed, not Walmart
    We should all be...

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then quit complaining about what a private entity pays its employees
    That is not "THE complaint." It is one part of numorous problems created by a Wal-Mart business model. I didn't respond to any other part of your post because you simply make no sense. You are so caught up in defending what is patently a rapacious profiteering business model with clearly detrimental effects on our economy, that you simply avoid facts and just stand on "private enterprise" arguments. You also ask questions that have no value in this discussion.

    The point is that 1% of our population controls 90% of all wealth; couldn't spend it all in their lifetimes or the lifetimes of their grandchildren; but apparently need to squeeze every last penny of additional profits they can regardless of the economic repercussions. Then there are fools who argue "That's great! Shows how far anyone can go...so even though I can't get there, nor has anyone I've known personally, we can all still bask in their greatness." LOL

    Historically, that attitude among the rich and powerful typically leads to popular rebellions and revolutions. I'd prefer that NOT to happen. Still, I'm not going to try to force anything on them, even if I had that kind of power. However this is one of the reasons I am a rabid supporter of the 2nd Amendment...so that if and when s*** hits the fan, I can have some means to defend myself.

    It's obvious you and I will not see eye to eye on this issue. That's the beauty of this country (while it lasts anyway), we don't have to agree in order to still coexist.

    I'm still going to argue for enlightened self-interest rather than rapacious business profiteering. But gee, it's just a position that obviously has no impact on people like the Waltons or their admirers (like yourself). Cheers.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Captain Adverse;1062166389]That is not "THE complaint." It is one part of numorous problems created by a Wal-Mart business model. I didn't respond to any other part of your post because you simply make no sense. You are so caught up in defending what is patently a rapacious profiteering business model with clearly detrimental effects on our economy, that you simply avoid facts and just stand on "private enterprise" arguments. You also ask questions that have no value in this discussion.
    Obviously the private sector makes no sense to a Marxist or someone who is used to having everything handed to them. Profit is what drives the private sector and what creates jobs and it is profit that the govt. taxes to fund those social programs that you seem to love. You have offered no facts just skewed distorted numbers. I am waiting for you to tell me how some rich person hurt you or your family? I ask questions that you don't want to answer so you make excuses.

    The point is that 1% of our population controls 90% of all wealth; couldn't spend it all in their lifetimes or the lifetimes of their grandchildren; but apparently need to squeeze every last penny of additional profits they can regardless of the economic repercussions. Then there are fools who argue "That's great! Shows how far anyone can go...so even though I can't get there, nor has anyone I've known personally, we can all still bask in their greatness." LOL
    So what? Why do you care what someone else makes? Is this jealousy on your part. All I see is someone who is jealous and worries more about what someone else makes or pays in taxes and ignores the waste, fraud, and abuse of govt. spending and greed

    Historically, that attitude among the rich and powerful typically leads to popular rebellions and revolutions. I'd prefer that NOT to happen. Still, I'm not going to try to force anything on them, even if I had that kind of power. However this is one of the reasons I am a rabid supporter of the 2nd Amendment...so that if and when s*** hits the fan, I can have some means to defend myself.
    I spent 35 years in that private sector economy and did quite well. You need an attitude adjustment and stop blaming someone else for your own failures. Worrying about who owns what and pays what in taxes is irrelevant to you.

    It's obvious you and I will not see eye to eye on this issue. That's the beauty of this country (while it lasts anyway), we don't have to agree in order to still coexist.

    I'm still going to argue for enlightened self-interest rather than rapacious business profiteering. But gee, it's just a position that obviously has no impact on people like the Waltons or their admirers (like yourself). Cheers.
    That is true, we will never see eye to eye but I made it in the private sector, raised two kids, and retired successful. I fear for our country every time I see someone like you on line. Your logic and common sense is lacking as are your priorities.

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