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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have no idea what I did for a living but that doesn't stop you from speculating and showing just how little you know or understand.

    Well in the past you have claimed to be a district manager. You have boasted you competed against wall mart. BTW you lost that battle if it is true. You also claim to be some kind of grand business titan as well.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    What you fail to recognize is that Walmart evaluates employees after 90 days and gives raises to deserving individuals. .
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    You do realize this is 2013, but probably not. Further I am really sorry that someone off the street isn't hired as store manager. Those are starting salaries and included in that number are part time employees. If you hate Walmart so much don't go there, I am sure they will miss your business.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    You do realize this is 2013, but probably not. Further I am really sorry that someone off the street isn't hired as store manager. Those are starting salaries and included in that number are part time employees. If you hate Walmart so much don't go there, I am sure they will miss your business.
    If you have more pertinent info please post it. Other wise you are just flapping your lips. The fact still remains a good portion of wall mart employees are paid below poverty wages. And we get to subsidize these people via our tax dollars so that wall mart can run a business.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    Why would any private business respond positively to being dictated to by a bureaucrat in D.C. First wages, then what?

    What you fail to recognize is that Walmart evaluates employees after 90 days and gives raises to deserving individuals. It isn't business's responsibility to pay what you think they should pay but only what an individual is willing to accept. What makes you an expert on what someone else's living expenses are and who is making those wages?

    You don't seem to get it, private business pays its workers what they are willing to accept. Walmart is more than fair to their employees and promotes from within If you are making 8.81 an hour for long then you are overpaid. Most good employees are promoted and make a lot more than that. Many however are second income earners or single individuals. I don't think it is any of your business what a private business pays its workers so if you want to pay workers more start your own business and pay them whatever you want.
    When walmart enters a market it brings with it depressed wages, displacing better-paying retail jobs. A study that I have read found also that when wallyworld enters a market it also eliminates similar jobs that pay about 18% more than walmart.

    Also total average earnings of retail workers fell by 0.5 to 0.8%.So add it up. Wallyworld adds to those on food stamps, wages go south, yet you’re championing for wallyworld and more foodstamps. Go figure.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    Perhaps you are just a fellow traveler...

    No. I think Marxist is a good lean.
    If you really had something to say you wouldn't need to resort to projecting labels in a lame attempt to categorize and brush off opponents. It's a rather juvenile way of dealing with issues that you lack the capability to respond to. Have a nice day! LOL
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    I thought I'd help out with some figures I found for 2013. They are supposedly supplied by Wal-Mart to help in attracting applicants.

    This chart shows wage ranges for each job title at Wal-Mart. These show the starting hourly wage (low figure) to highest wage attainable for the position. Note that for the four positions shown in your chart there is some slight increase in starting hourly wages, based on eight years inflation. Not much of an increase though, right?

    Walmart.com Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate by Job | PayScale

    Seems like in some positions people are getting a decent starting wage? It might until you look at this second chart which computes hourly wages by experience in the job. There you see a starting average of all jobs of $8.81. It takes 1-4 years to go up $0.58 to $9.39; 5 – 9 years before the average goes up to $11.00 (increase of $2.19); and 10 – 19 years before it goes up to $12.13 (increase of $3.32).

    Walmart.com Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate by Job | PayScale

    Then we see average hourly wages by state which shows the average hourly wage for ALL Wal-Mart employees is $10.46 regardless of time in the job. At 30 hours per week on average a full-time employee earns $16,317.60 a year gross ($13,914.57 after taxes). Part-time at 20 hrs per week earns $10,878.40 gross. The current Poverty Threshold for a single person is $11,945.00 For two people (married) it is $15,374.00.

    Walmart.com Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate by Job | PayScale

    Conservative is correct about one thing, after 90 days employees get a raise. I understand this is about $0.25 /hr. Wal-Mart also pays (according to this site) 1% over the average rate for such jobs.

    HOWEVER: Full-time Wal-Mart employees still work 28 – 30 hour weeks, Part-time less than 21 hours. The above figures don’t account for Wal-Mart’s practice of requiring unpaid “voluntary overtime” for non-scheduled hours, or frequent last-minute reductions in scheduled hours to meet monthly budget limits.

    Wal-Mart still instructs their employees on eligibility for Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Welfare services.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I thought I'd help out with some figures I found for 2013. They are supposedly supplied by Wal-Mart to help in attracting applicants.

    This chart shows wage ranges for each job title at Wal-Mart. These show the starting hourly wage (low figure) to highest wage attainable for the position. Note that for the four positions shown in your chart there is some slight increase in starting hourly wages, based on eight years inflation. Not much of an increase though, right?

    Walmart.com Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate by Job | PayScale

    Seems like in some positions people are getting a decent starting wage? It might until you look at this second chart which computes hourly wages by experience in the job. There you see a starting average of all jobs of $8.81. It takes 1-4 years to go up $0.58 to $9.39; 5 – 9 years before the average goes up to $11.00 (increase of $2.19); and 10 – 19 years before it goes up to $12.13 (increase of $3.32).

    Walmart.com Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate by Job | PayScale

    Then we see average hourly wages by state which shows the average hourly wage for ALL Wal-Mart employees is $10.46 regardless of time in the job. At 30 hours per week on average a full-time employee earns $16,317.60 a year gross ($13,914.57 after taxes). Part-time at 20 hrs per week earns $10,878.40 gross. The current Poverty Threshold for a single person is $11,945.00 For two people (married) it is $15,374.00.

    Walmart.com Employer Wages, Hourly Wage Rate by Job | PayScale

    Conservative is correct about one thing, after 90 days employees get a raise. I understand this is about $0.25 /hr. Wal-Mart also pays (according to this site) 1% over the average rate for such jobs.

    HOWEVER: Full-time Wal-Mart employees still work 28 – 30 hour weeks, Part-time less than 21 hours. The above figures don’t account for Wal-Mart’s practice of requiring unpaid “voluntary overtime” for non-scheduled hours, or frequent last-minute reductions in scheduled hours to meet monthly budget limits.

    Wal-Mart still instructs their employees on eligibility for Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Welfare services.
    Not sure that this is less an indictment of Wal Mart than it is on our leaders and the type of economy we have. This seems more of a symptom of something broken than a root cause.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I'm not a "marxist" nor a communist...
    Sure you are, if not in practice, then surely in thought.

    I believe in free enterprise and I don't think business should be forced to do anything.
    No you don't...That's laughable...If you did, you wouldn't be taking the position against corporations like WalMart.

    What I am consistently arguing for is that business people exercise more enlightened self-interest.
    What's so "enlightened" about espousing profit as 'evil'? Sounds like boilerplate progressive Marxism to me.

    The sort of thing I used to see in America when a person OWNED the factory and had a personal relationship with his employees. Where they were treated like family, and in return they busted ass for their boss. They paid workers enough so they could buy other goods and those other factory workers could earn a living and buy your bosses goods.
    The 50s ended long ago.

    Corporations have made it impersonal, a mere numbers game. To satisfy the faceless stockholders who have no more stake in the business than their monetary investment and who therefore only care about maximum return on that investment, business managers act only on that imperative.
    These "faceless stockholders" that you demonize here are you and me. You know that right? They are also retirees that are trying to make the fruits of their life's work stretch to sustain them today.

    I thought you said you were 'free market', but with this statement you don't seem to understand how that works.

    So close local factories, reopen new ones overseas, outsource jobs, then open American outlet stores and pay $10 per hour but only let "full time" employees work 28 hour weeks...that's your American dream?
    What's your alternative? You have so much crammed in here that is convoluted, and skews the picture of why we have lost manufacturing here in America to cheaper labor overseas, that it is truly mind boggling....

    Meanwhile your $14.00 shirt was made by a Bangladeshi employee who earned $0.18 an hour for a 12 - 15 hour workday and lives in squalor on starvation rations. That's what you want American workers to return to? Hell, if $0.18 cents had the same value here as it did back when you could buy a good horse for $20, I might be willing to work for that wage too. Sheesh.
    Big mistake you make here is in applying our standard to Bangladeshi life. Companies, and trade is Global today. Liberals, and Marxists wanted that in the New Deal days because it was so "unfair that small countries couldn't compete".... Now you have done it....And you still aren't happy....Why? I'll tell you, because in your short sighted and uneducated manner of addressing the disparities of income for average people from one land to another, you failed to want to raise all boats, but rather in your disgust of America, you just wanted to teach your own country a lesson, and destroy the standard of living in this country.

    You can hide behind what ever you wish in lengthy posts that swirl around and try to hide the fact of who you are, but in the end, it is really right there in black and white.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If you have more pertinent info please post it. Other wise you are just flapping your lips. The fact still remains a good portion of wall mart employees are paid below poverty wages. And we get to subsidize these people via our tax dollars so that wall mart can run a business.
    I have posted pertinent information but you ignored it. I am absolutely shocked that you ran your own business. What exactly is a livable wage? A livable wage is defined by the individual not the govt. Poverty levels are defined by the individual not the govt. You believe a single individual living at home has the same livable wage as a couple with a home? Do you think the poverty level the govt. sets is the same for each individual?

    Further it doesn't seem that Walmart is having any trouble getting employees and never has had trouble. Looks to me like you are a typical liberal who knows what is best for everyone else and supports the massive big central govt. Obama is building. Because our tax dollars fund subsidizes support for individuals doesn't mean those subsidy levels are set at the right wage for the right individual. Why aren't we means testing govt. support for welfare programs?

    Greed to a liberal only seems to exist when it involves individuals in the private sector and not the public sector. Typical liberalism, thinking with your heart and not your brain.

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