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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sorry, my "Libertarian-Left" viewpoint is based on business models that work from enlightened self-interest, not rapacious greed. The Wal-Mart business model is one of the most selfish, short-sighted, and economically destructive in the American market. That's how I see it anyway.
    I understood your opinion. It makes you no different than any of the other wannabe tyrants who want to take property away from others. Thuggery is thuggery.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I understood your opinion. It makes you no different than any of the other wannabe tyrants who want to take property away from others. Thuggery is thuggery.
    Cry that attitude to the French Aristocracy whose rapacious greed led to the backlash of the Reign of Terror. Or the Russian nobility during the Communist revolution. Or the Robber Barons of American history that led to worker uprisings and union warfare. Or any other similar situations in world history.

    When you deliberately create a massive economic divide between the haves and have nots by gaining control of ALL the property in a society, then try grasping the moral high ground by claiming it as your "just due," whether by birth or simple robbery...you will inevitably create such "thugs and thuggery" out of your own devices.

    Hence, my support of business models adhering to enlightened self-interest. Share some and even if you keep most, people remain happy. Share none, and people will eventually try to take it ALL away from you.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe they are set up in the same place that GM went....

    ....Every time a company closes a factory in the USA and moves it to a foreign land, that is one less productive resource in the USA. Every time a company hires a foreign crew to work in that factory, that is one less crew of employed Americans able to buy those foreign-made products. Every time Americans who still have jobs buy cheap merchandise from such a company, they send their money overseas to pay those foreign workers and enrich that foreign land at the expense of the USA. They are also perpetuating the model that will eventually cost them their own jobs as well.

    As for American workers hired by such a company in their outlet stores located here in the USA? Well, when 1/4 of them are part-time, 1/4 are temporary contract workers, and the remaining "full-time" 1/2 work less than 30 hours a week...they end up putting most of their wages right back into the same company because all they can afford is the cheap foreign stuff. All adds up to more debt in the USA as more wealth goes to rich American owners and foreign lands.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Cry that attitude to the French Aristocracy whose rapacious greed led to the backlash of the Reign of Terror. Or the Russian nobility during the Communist revolution. Or the Robber Barons of American history that led to worker uprisings and union warfare. Or any other similar situations in world history.

    When you deliberately create a massive economic divide between the haves and have nots by gaining control of ALL the property in a society, then try grasping the moral high ground by claiming it as your "just due," whether by birth or simple robbery...you will inevitably create such "thugs and thuggery" out of your own devices.

    Hence, my support of business models adhering to enlightened self-interest. Share some and even if you keep most, people remain happy. Share none, and people will eventually try to take it ALL away from you.
    Pretty it up all that you want. It is still the same thing. You have the heart of a thug. You have the heart of a tyrant. I get it. The rule of law means little to you.

    Today you cry for the jungle. When the jungle comes what will you cry for? I humbly suggest you change your lean to statist or authoritarian.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    ....Every time a company closes a factory in the USA and moves it to a foreign land, that is one less productive resource in the USA. Every time a company hires a foreign crew to work in that factory, that is one less crew of employed Americans able to buy those foreign-made products. Every time Americans who still have jobs buy cheap merchandise from such a company, they send their money overseas to pay those foreign workers and enrich that foreign land at the expense of the USA. They are also perpetuating the model that will eventually cost them their own jobs as well.

    As for American workers hired by such a company in their outlet stores located here in the USA? Well, when 1/4 of them are part-time, 1/4 are temporary contract workers, and the remaining "full-time" 1/2 work less than 30 hours a week...they end up putting most of their wages right back into the same company because all they can afford is the cheap foreign stuff. All adds up to more debt in the USA as more wealth goes to rich American owners and foreign lands.
    Perhaps you should spend a small amount of time wondering why governments chase away the productive...

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    ....Every time a company closes a factory in the USA and moves it to a foreign land, that is one less productive resource in the USA. Every time a company hires a foreign crew to work in that factory, that is one less crew of employed Americans able to buy those foreign-made products. Every time Americans who still have jobs buy cheap merchandise from such a company, they send their money overseas to pay those foreign workers and enrich that foreign land at the expense of the USA. They are also perpetuating the model that will eventually cost them their own jobs as well.
    Should these large corporations stay in America, and operate at a loss, paying a janitor of a line $25. per hour to empty the waste baskets so that you can feel good about them? Should they stay here when regulatory morass has their operating costs so high that they have to shutter lines to comply with painting a yellow line leading to the rest rooms for the people who have worked there for 20 years? Should they report to the shareholders that they are not making any profit, because people like you think that profit is evil, and unfair?

    As for American workers hired by such a company in their outlet stores located here in the USA? Well, when 1/4 of them are part-time, 1/4 are temporary contract workers, and the remaining "full-time" 1/2 work less than 30 hours a week...
    Yep, thank things like Obamacare for that....It is redefining the work week to less than 30 hours, and that now counts as a "job". Do you support Obamacare?

    they end up putting most of their wages right back into the same company because all they can afford is the cheap foreign stuff. All adds up to more debt in the USA as more wealth goes to rich American owners and foreign lands.
    Ok, so what's your model? High cost items so they can be tagged USA? Less people being able to afford them at that point unless you are the elite? The rest can eat cake I suppose....And be thankful for that. Nah, we've seen your model before, and it is a failed one. It's called Fascist Communism.

    You seem to think it is "enlightened", but I say it is worn out, and historically flawed...Just look at the great learning example of East vs. West Berlin from the end of WWII to the fall of the wall.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Pretty it up all that you want. It is still the same thing. You have the heart of a thug. You have the heart of a tyrant. I get it. The rule of law means little to you.

    Today you cry for the jungle. When the jungle comes what will you cry for? I humbly suggest you change your lean to statist or authoritarian.
    LOL Nice try. Ignore reality and surround yourself with hired security as you continue to use what you call the "rule of law" to create the very mob mentality you fear so much.

    I prefer to diffuse that possibility by advocating businesses engage in sane methods of profit by thinking long-term stable growth rather than short-term rapacious growth. Something like logging firms who replant trees and give them time to regrow so they have future resources to draw upon; rather than the old chop, chop, chop and who cares if we run out of trees as long as we can make a profit now mentality.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Should these large corporations stay in America, and operate at a loss, paying a janitor of a line $25. per hour to empty the waste baskets so that you can feel good about them? Should they stay here when regulatory morass has their operating costs so high that they have to shutter lines to comply with painting a yellow line leading to the rest rooms for the people who have worked there for 20 years? Should they report to the shareholders that they are not making any profit, because people like you think that profit is evil, and unfair?....
    There it goes, the old "blame everyone else but corporate greed for the ills of the current economy" meme.

    Of course, none of that was the result of fiat currency and the inherent inflation that goes with it. So inherent that all of members who claim to be economists argue about how "normal" it is and how it should be ignored or accepted. Why should anyone expect more wages when their original pay doesn't cover their basic needs anymore due to devalued currency?

    None of that was the result of stockholder greed, demanding massive returns on relatively minimal investments which led to policies of cutting costs by any means necessary to increase profits. An attitude happily supported by coporate officers whose efforts allow them to demand annual salaries 150 or more times greater than any worker they get rid of.

    None of that was the result of business practices that turned entire rivers into such polluted messes they frequently caught fire, or areas of land so poisonous people died living on or near them. Practically forcing government interference in environmental regulation.

    Of course, it's all the Unions fault for developing out of the horrors of American sweat shops, unsafe mines, and factory nightmares. Where men, women and even children were compelled to work 12 to 15 hour days little better than paid serfs just to make enough to make ends meet.

    BTW, all this wealth and power was built on land and resources stolen from the original owners and then "legally" transferred by the magic of "land claims." Of course a land claim was nothing more than "I just killed the prior owners, so this is MINE now." Well, with that as a historical basis, it's hard to argue that someone else can't come along and simply TAKE what was yours if they get strong enough and pissed enough to do so.

    Now, you blame a particular political party, and a particular President who happens to currently hold the office instead of recognizing no political party has the moral high ground here? You don't strike me as a man who is himself a "captain of industry" rolling around in wealth you feel needs protecting; you sound more like a drone indoctrinated in the ideals that greed is good and if you only wait long enough and get lucky enough you too will reap the rewards and get to have your kids prance around the world like Paris Hilton.

    I am no "leveler." I think every man IS entitled to the fruits of his labor or the wealth gained by his mind. All I am saying is, why cut your own throat by destroying the very economy that allowed you to gain those fruits and that wealth?
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    The Wal-Mart business model is one of the most selfish, short-sighted, and economically destructive in the American market.
    It is a business model that made Walmart the largest retailer in the world so at least it was successful. Please note that nobody is forced to work at Walmart and nobody is forced to shop there. It became the world's largest retailer by providing what people want. Walmart earns the money it has. The real destructive greed lies in those who want to take it away from Walmart without earning it. I have no respect at all for that.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It is a business model that made Walmart the largest retailer in the world so at least it was successful. Please note that nobody is forced to work at Walmart and nobody is forced to shop there. It became the world's largest retailer by providing what people want. Walmart earns the money it has. The real destructive greed lies in those who want to take it away from Walmart without earning it. I have no respect at all for that.
    I have no respect for people who see only the short-term benefits and ignore the long-term detriments. Those "benefits" and detriments have been clearly explained. Perhaps you need a lesson in what "greed" really means?
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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