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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Keep changing the subject.
    You are the one that brought taxes into the discussion.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    And my concern is that we are headed in the direction of the European Socialist model where Govt. spending is the largest part of GDP and that is a prescription for disaster.
    Europe's only problem with it's economy is that in order to shift to whole new policies that dismantle the welfare state, eliminate trade unions and financialize the economy don't fit in with social contracts they so much once valued.... so neoliberal policies are crowding them out. Austerity will pretty much dismantle most of them.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Europe's only problem with it's economy is that in order to shift to whole new policies that dismantle the welfare state, eliminate trade unions and financialize the economy don't fit in with social contracts they so much once valued.... so neoliberal policies are crowding them out. Austerity will pretty much dismantle most of them.

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    Austerity always will have a greater impact on countries dependent on govt. spending as the largest part of their GDP. Obama is trying to make that happen here with the growth of the entitlement mentality funded by the govt. through the taxpayers.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    Austerity always will have a greater impact on countries dependent on govt. spending as the largest part of their GDP. Obama is trying to make that happen here with the growth of the entitlement mentality funded by the govt. through the taxpayers.
    It's a false conclusion. Take Sweden and Ireland and compare the two countries. One spends far more on social spending and one far less. Whose economy is in dire straights? Loosening of financial regulations in the global economy was a bad idea. Using this economic meltdown as an excuse to restructure all countries economy is brillant. Only, real solutions are not being implemented in most places. Instead, privatization is taking place on a massive scale while many social contracts are being dismantled. The real issue was deregulations of the banks. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if the meltdown didn't happen.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's a false conclusion. Take Sweden and Ireland and compare the two countries. One spends far more on social spending and one far less. Whose economy is in dire straights? Loosening of financial regulations in the global economy was a bad idea. Using this economic meltdown as an excuse to restructure all countries economy is brillant. Only, real solutions are not being implemented in most places. Instead, privatization is taking place on a massive scale while many social contracts are being dismantled. The real issue was deregulations of the banks. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if the meltdown didn't happen.
    Again, that is your opinion all countries dependent on the govt. are eventually going to run out of someone else's money to spend and therein lies the problem. This country is much less dependent on the govt. thus isn't as affected as others when cuts in govt. spending occurs. Oh, yes, you will here the whining from the elite but when 20% of our GDP is govt. spending leaving 80% for the other three components we are going to survive an austerity program.

    This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor being the individual not the govt. A strong economy always leads to higher charitable giving and it will be charities not a govt. bureaucracy that provides the safety net for individuals. All social programs should be returned to the states, Medicare and SS should be taken off budget immediately and then we will get a very manageable less intrusive Federal Govt.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    Again, that is your opinion all countries dependent on the govt. are eventually going to run out of someone else's money to spend and therein lies the problem. This country is much less dependent on the govt. thus isn't as affected as others when cuts in govt. spending occurs. Oh, yes, you will here the whining from the elite but when 20% of our GDP is govt. spending leaving 80% for the other three components we are going to survive an austerity program.

    This country was built on neighbor helping neighbor with that neighbor being the individual not the govt. A strong economy always leads to higher charitable giving and it will be charities not a govt. bureaucracy that provides the safety net for individuals. All social programs should be returned to the states, Medicare and SS should be taken off budget immediately and then we will get a very manageable less intrusive Federal Govt.
    We've gone full circle because we are back on topic to the OP. We are dependent on jobs. The fact that the trend is toward less middle wage income jobs being available and much more low wage ones is enough for alarm. Until we have better paying jobs in this country many more people will either have to depend on the welfare state to fill in the loss or we can dismantle it and we can just live with a large amount of poverty. The problem hasn't been addressed either way.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    We've gone full circle because we are back on topic to the OP. We are dependent on jobs. The fact that the trend is toward less middle wage income jobs being available and much more low wage ones is enough for alarm. Until we have better paying jobs in this country many more people will either have to depend on the welfare state to fill in the loss or we can dismantle it and we can just live with a large amount of poverty. The problem hasn't been addressed either way.
    Do you have a solution? Mine is the free market and less govt. regulations as well as lower taxes creating an atmosphere for strong economic growth which will create demand for employees and that will drive up prices just like demand is driving up prices in North Dakota right now. Cutting the size of the govt. will allow for less spending on debt service and paying down the debt.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    We've gone full circle because we are back on topic to the OP. We are dependent on jobs. The fact that the trend is toward less middle wage income jobs being available and much more low wage ones is enough for alarm. Until we have better paying jobs in this country many more people will either have to depend on the welfare state to fill in the loss or we can dismantle it and we can just live with a large amount of poverty. The problem hasn't been addressed either way.
    The problem is being addressed.Give more tif,/government subsidies to the likes of wal-mart and let their employees make JUST enough money to qualify for food stamps.Viola. winger heaven.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    The problem is being addressed.Give more tif,/government subsidies to the likes of wal-mart and let their employees make JUST enough money to qualify for food stamps.Viola. winger heaven.

    Subsidies? Just like a typical liberal who believes that anything a company makes is the property of the govt. You are an example of what this country has become, brainwashed into believing the role of the govt. is to give you what you want. Companies keeping more of what they earned aren't subsidies.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you have a solution? Mine is the free market and less govt. regulations as well as lower taxes creating an atmosphere for strong economic growth which will create demand for employees and that will drive up prices just like demand is driving up prices in North Dakota right now. Cutting the size of the govt. will allow for less spending on debt service and paying down the debt.
    What free market That word is based on ideology because no true free market exist. Time to look at reality and what we are really dealing with-Looking at Ireland, we see that low taxes did lead to economic growth until the financial bubble burst. They were banking (no pun intended) on growing their economy through financialization. We are a consumer base economy and we should use that to our advantage as far as having those service jobs pay well enough where employees are making a middle income living. I wish we had stronger unions to set a standard of wages in this country but we don't and probably won't with the new anti-union laws going through many states. I suppose we will have to depend on the government to set a standard because big business will not.

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