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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Chile has a population between 15-20 million and a 120 billion a year economy much of which comes from the state owned mineral industry. It is hardly comparable to what we have in this country so any comparison is nothing more than a diversion from the thread topic and the Obama failures.
    The irony is the copper mines were about the only thing that held up when the financial crisis took everything else down, so things could have been much worse. And, yes it is very comparable. Without adequate safety nets in place, half the country went into poverty in a very short time until they started to put back into place those safety nets. Lesson of the story is people lost their jobs and they had no where to turn and quickly went into poverty. That would happen here to.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And there, in a nutshell is why we must return to a Constitutional form of government. There are many idiots who do not understand that Constitutions identify what governments may do and what they may not do. If it is not explicitly allowed then the government cannot do it.

    Of course all governments tend toward the accumulation and centralization of power until tyranny occurs, becomes the norm and is overthrown, usually with bloodshed.
    Oh, there is an accumulation of centralized power in this country and its called private public initiatives. We are funding tons and tons and tons of tax dollars for these initiatives that go into private interest pockets. So, I will agree with your post. Things have gotten out of hand.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is a terrible number in an economy the size of ours especially since the part time employment has ballooned. The stagnant economic growth is hurting job creation, the labor force contracted last month and we still have fewer people working than before the recession began. That is the sign of very poor leadership and economic policies. The number of discouraged workers has been extremely high during this Administration and that says a lot about Obama's economic policies.

    I disagree with you, anyone not working but able to work should be counted as unemployed.
    And how do you figure that someone not trying to work is able to work? How could they be working if they're not trying? By your standard, unemployed would include around 80 million adults who don't want a job.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Article I, Section 8, clause 1 and the Sixteenth Amendment.
    Yeah, like I said. The constitution says almost nothing about taxes. There are volumes of tax law, and only one blurb in the constitution about taxes, so someone as clever as you shouldn't be confused about why the details of corporate tax deductions aren't covered in the constitution since NONE of the actual tax law is in the constitution.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Two points.

    First point: The jobs "saved" were public sector union jobs.
    Second point: When the economy cannot support public sector union jobs they must be cut not saved.
    No, many states don't allow public union's collective bargaining. They equally got federal money for things like their schools to function so the union thing is nothing but a strawman. Also, the paradigm shift moves away from unions through laws and diluting their power to collective bargain. The shift is to privatize and consolidating power into corporate hands. Competing voices are not aloud. What do we call it when competing voices are crushed? Since the onset of all these anti-collective bargaining laws and right to work laws in many states, union membership is down to bare bones. I'm really not sure how they are going to function anymore unless we have a national movement back toward worker's rights and setting standards for workers like decent wages but I'm not so sure if that going to happen.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Don't do "nothing". Roll back the massive bureaucratic state with its 100,000 regulations, 2.5 million busybody bureaucrats and the ninnies on the Potomic. Stop stealing property from those who created it. Get the government off the backs of the people and the businesses.
    Government is not stealing property. As a matter of fact, they are selling state and city assets to profiteers.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Yeah, like I said. The constitution says almost nothing about taxes. There are volumes of tax law, and only one blurb in the constitution about taxes, so someone as clever as you shouldn't be confused about why the details of corporate tax deductions aren't covered in the constitution since NONE of the actual tax law is in the constitution.
    I never stated there were tax laws in the Constitution. I merely brought up the fact that if 'Conservative' didn't think we should have taxes for things not specifically listed in the Constitution, he would have to apply that logic to private business too.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I fully expect the administration to take credit for creating millions of new jobs over the next year, and they will. But they are doing it by destroying full time jobs thru Obamacare and opening up lots of part time jobs. My local O'Reilly Auto Parts cut all of their full time positions (except for management) to part time and then hired more people to cover the hours. So now there are 2 full time employees and 30 part timers. Did those who had jobs keep them? Most did, yes, but now they are part time instead of full time. Does the store have more employees? Sure but most need a second job in order to make what they did last month and only 2 have health insurance.

    Be careful interpreting the jobs numbers over the next year. Unemployment may appear to be down but so is average income. What we have essentially done was to redistribute work hours. The problem is at the end of the week most people are making less. In some cases that will mean more supplemental government assistance, just as planned. Making everyone more equal by lowering the bar is NOT progress no matter how the numbers are twisted.
    Additionally, the former head of the BLS stated that 97% of job gains in 2013 are part time jobs. That's got to be a record.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I never stated there were tax laws in the Constitution. I merely brought up the fact that if 'Conservative' didn't think we should have taxes for things not specifically listed in the Constitution, he would have to apply that logic to private business too.
    Someone must have hacked your account and posted this, then:

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The Constitution says nothing about tax breaks for business either.
    Like I said, that shouldn't be surprising since it says very little about taxes at all.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The irony is the copper mines were about the only thing that held up when the financial crisis took everything else down, so things could have been much worse. And, yes it is very comparable. Without adequate safety nets in place, half the country went into poverty in a very short time until they started to put back into place those safety nets. Lesson of the story is people lost their jobs and they had no where to turn and quickly went into poverty. That would happen here to.
    We have adequate safety nets in place and because we have a very diverse economy and 50 sovereign states there is no comparison between this country and Chile no matter how you want to spin it. Many banks did not want to take TARP loans and that speaks volumes about the real problem in this country, the inability to hold people accountable for poor choices. The fact remains liberalism has created a dependent society where there aren't consequences for failure. You prove that with every post.

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