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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    And, what agenda is that exactly? Those numbers aren't looking so good so er, uh, hat someone who doesn't like Obama? I already mentioned most of the job recovery was in low wage jobs so I've no idea what your point is for correcting me.
    Forget the agenda. Focus on your simple mistake.

    How many jobs would have to be lost out of the total of 155 million jobs for your number to be correct? 40 million?

    How many were actually lost?
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Talking point #1- “Do you understand that allowing people to keep more of what they earn gives a politician their worst nightmare, loss of power.” Yawn

    To answer you second question, state and local government get paid by residents of state or local community. During the recession, many people in many states were largely effected by the economic downturn and therefore, and many states and/or localities lost revenue. Obama did step up to the plate and lend some federal funds to ailing states and municipalities, however, strings were attached. For instance, I could debate that his educational mandates have helped to hurt many school systems and now he has pulled away funds from schools that are now left with pricey mandates and many a community is still trying to recover from the recession. Hence, many school systems are hurting. But, school systems are not the only municipal service that is suffering in many cities and towns across the US. And, to your point, the bailout didn’t have much to do with recovering those jobs which is a travesty in itself. Too address your other point, any job (public or private) allows revenue per taxes.
    You stated, “It isn’t the private sector’s role to create jobs.” Then are you saying it is the government’s job? Really?
    Also, it doesn’t look like you understood my point about bondholders looking at your off topic talking point. Come back when you want to discuss my point.
    Tax cuts can accomplish consumer spending activity. What exactly was an example of Obama’s accomplishment? That he did provide them? I agree he did.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Do you have difficulty answering the questions?

    You said, "Private industry jobs started dying off before Obama took office so you can't blame it entirely on Obamacare."

    I asked for you to show the numbers. I did not ask for a google search. On the other hand I did give you some numbers and you called them garbage.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    NEITHER, Public or private needed to be bailed out, with maybe the exception of TARP, but not a perpetual influx of cheap and easy money via the Feds printing. It hasn't helped anyone, let alone the investors.

    So much has been overlooked, and the fact that Obama and even millions of voters thought that a massive stimulus was the answer just shows how far away we are from a reasonable response to the effects of the Democrat Mandated Sub-Prime Collapse.

    A response that would have worked.
    Really no bail out was needed? Then what would you have suggested? I'm curious.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Talking point #1- “Do you understand that allowing people to keep more of what they earn gives a politician their worst nightmare, loss of power.” Yawn

    To answer you second question, state and local government get paid by residents of state or local community. During the recession, many people in many states were largely effected by the economic downturn and therefore, and many states and/or localities lost revenue. Obama did step up to the plate and lend some federal funds to ailing states and municipalities, however, strings were attached. For instance, I could debate that his educational mandates have helped to hurt many school systems and now he has pulled away funds from schools that are now left with pricey mandates and many a community is still trying to recover from the recession. Hence, many school systems are hurting. But, school systems are not the only municipal service that is suffering in many cities and towns across the US. And, to your point, the bailout didn’t have much to do with recovering those jobs which is a travesty in itself. Too address your other point, any job (public or private) allows revenue per taxes.
    You stated, “It isn’t the private sector’s role to create jobs.” Then are you saying it is the government’s job? Really?
    Also, it doesn’t look like you understood my point about bondholders looking at your off topic talking point. Come back when you want to discuss my point.
    Tax cuts can accomplish consumer spending activity. What exactly was an example of Obama’s accomplishment? That he did provide them? I agree he did.
    Lent money? do you understand the term? He lent nothing he bailed out union contracts with stimulus dollars that were designed to create shovel ready jobs. Then of course he admitted there was no such thing as shovel ready jobs so the entire stimulus was a scam and did nothing but solidify his base.

    Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    You are the one having problems understanding, it isn't the role of the private sector to create jobs but it is something that economic activity forces them to do. It is the government's job to create policies that don't get in the way and all Obama policies have gotten in the way. Why would any business person invest their own money today to create jobs under this Administration?

    Your point about bondholders ignores what happened to GM/Chrysler bondholders when GM/Chrysler were taken over by Obama. Today the American taxpayer is on the hook for billions due to that takeover and yet no outrage.

    Tell me what you do with more spendable income and the effects that has on the economy? As for jobs public or private sector, yes, both provide revenue but one is offset by the debt service because the govt. doesn't have the money. Which one, private or public?

    I asked you specifically what Obama did to promote the private sector and you offered nothing. He has accomplished nothing in that area and that is where the jobs are going to be created. Higher taxes, Obamacare, other regulations don't promote private sector growth or spending.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you have difficulty answering the questions?

    You said, "Private industry jobs started dying off before Obama took office so you can't blame it entirely on Obamacare."

    I asked for you to show the numbers. I did not ask for a google search. On the other hand I did give you some numbers and you called them garbage.
    I looked back to see if I missed a post, and no I didn't. The only numbers you gave me: "The highest unemployment rate during President Bush’s entire eight years in office was his last month at 7.8%, compared to President Obama’s low of 7.6%. Of course it really helps to have the state-run media on your side." which doesn't address private sector jobs (which was the topic). I gave you charts that showed public sector jobs vs. public. If you don't like my charts, perhaps, you don't like the facts.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Talking point #1- “Do you understand that allowing people to keep more of what they earn gives a politician their worst nightmare, loss of power.” Yawn
    You should have just said you did not understand.

    To answer you second question, state and local government get paid by residents of state or local community. During the recession, many people in many states were largely effected by the economic downturn and therefore, and many states and/or localities lost revenue. Obama did step up to the plate and lend some federal funds to ailing states and municipalities, however, strings were attached.
    He bailed out public sector unions long enough to get reelected. This was not a loan. It was the theft of property from those who created it to give to those who consumed it. And it did exactly what the Marxist wanted. It provided him support from "Paul" at the expense of "Peter" who has the good sense not to vote for a Marxist in the first place. It also dried up capital. Radical Karl wanted only the state to have the capital. Radical Barrack saw to it.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I looked back to see if I missed a post, and no I didn't. The only numbers you gave me: "The highest unemployment rate during President Bush’s entire eight years in office was his last month at 7.8%, compared to President Obama’s low of 7.6%. Of course it really helps to have the state-run media on your side." which doesn't address private sector jobs (which was the topic). I gave you charts that showed public sector jobs vs. public. If you don't like my charts, perhaps, you don't like the facts.
    I summarized for your benefit. You gave me a data dump. Maybe you just don't know how to play well with others. You made the claim that jobs were dying long before Obama. I showed you that Bush had one month with a high unemployment rate. And Obama's entire regime has been nothing but high unemployment.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Really no bail out was needed? Then what would you have suggested? I'm curious.
    No, no bailout was needed and I faulted Bush for this. In a private sector economy businesses fail and other businesses buy them out and succeed. Not all banks wanted TARP. I was against the bailout then and am against it anytime now. The problem with liberalism is that there are no consequences for poor choices and failure as bailouts reward bad behavior. Nothing has changed after the bailout. Many banks didn't even want the bailout but were forced to take it under govt. threats. Bush was wrong as was Paulson.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Forget the agenda. Focus on your simple mistake.

    How many jobs would have to be lost out of the total of 155 million jobs for your number to be correct? 40 million?

    How many were actually lost?
    This has absolutely nothing at all to do with the chart I showed you. Are you having a private debate with yourself or do you have me mixed up with someone else?

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