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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is true, what has Obama done to promote it? What is the role of a leader when faced with that problem?



    Your opinion noted but what you fail to recognize is that govt. spending has been at record levels and still the problem exists. More spending isn't the answer in a private sector economy. You have seen what happens in Europe with all that govt. spending, you get dependence and European socialism.

    Keep ignoring reality, Obama has influence on public sector jobs most of which are at the state level and I explained that states have to balance the budget thus why public sector employment is down. Is Federal Employment down?

    Slashing govt. spending is the only answer because it creates more investment capital for the private sector. The answer is cutting federal spending and providing incentive to the private sector to grow, Obamacare, threats of higher taxes and more regulations stifles private sector growth thus creates the problem we have today.

    Far too many here don't understand the private sector economy at all thus comments like yours. You have been brainwashed into believing govt. spending is a major portion of GDP when it isn't. There are four components to GDP, figure out what they are and what affects those components. Stop buying what this Administration and the media tells you. Think for a change. The fourth largest budget item is interest expense on the debt. Think that debt service is improving the economy?
    Ah, I don't know...perhaps not give them everything they wanted.

    Government spending that you're addressing has nothing to do with the loss of government jobs. What you are addressing is spending which was in place by appropriations and policies when Obama took office including a huge bail out. Under Obama, we see a sharp downturn in government jobs. That is the point I'm trying to make. We need more jobs in a recession not less. Obama could have bailed out states and allowed them to keep essential jobs instead of focusing on bailing out private institutions.

    Growing capital through financialization is a problem. This capital isn't being used to create jobs, through trade and commodity production in the economy, but rather a pattern of accumulation in which profit making occurs increasingly through financial channels. A particular group who is capitalizing on this economy is the rentier class which make their money off of passive income. We currently see massive amounts of payments to bondholders, laying off of public employees, exacerbating the cycle of unemployment and so people are buying less goods and services and don't pay much in taxes so less revenue comes in. Creditor friendly policies are harming our economy.

    I've not been brainwashed at all. I've looked at both sides of the argument and can clearly see the trend is toward privatizing services and the selling off of public assets. This in turn refines the ability to extract rents which keeps bondholders in complete power/control by making sure they will be paid in full be damn our public interest/goods and assets. And, to answer your final question, GDP is largely depended on consumer spending for goods and services.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

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    Nice job of using Google, too bad it doesn't make your case. when did Obama propose extending ALL the Bush tax cuts? the reality is he proposed extending only the Middle Class tax cuts and raising them on the rich. You see, you buy headlines but never read the entire story or what led up to the story.

    Obama demonized McCain at the meeting on Healthcare reform, he tried to destroy Ryan in public regarding budget negotiations. Obama is a community agitator not a community organizer or leader
    I know, bringing facts up is kinda anathema to your style debate, but Obama compromised on that issue with republicans. His original position was return to old rates for those over 250k, but compromised to 400k, and the tax rate on dividends for those making over 400k was capped at 20 %, instead of 39.6 % which it would have been with just the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. You can hardly accuse Obama of not compromising on something he did compromise on, simply because he did not give republicans everything they wanted. You do not seem to understand what compromise means.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    LOL, that is a perfect example of someone who doesn't have a clue what is going on in this country today and the brainwashing of the left. Too bad you have bought the rhetoric and ignore the results. You seem very poorly informed on what really is happening in this country so you must be getting your information from the MSM and doing no thinking on your own.

    You think taxing the rich hasn't been proposed? You think that unemployment benefits now beyond two years isn't in place? You think that forcing small businesses to purchase healthcare for their employees benefits employment? You think that promoting part time jobs is the prescription to strong economic growth? Where do you get your information?
    You're the one with all the talking points.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I know, bringing facts up is kinda anathema to your style debate, but Obama compromised on that issue with republicans. His original position was return to old rates for those over 250k, but compromised to 400k, and the tax rate on dividends for those making over 400k was capped at 20 %, instead of 39.6 % which it would have been with just the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. You can hardly accuse Obama of not compromising on something he did compromise on, simply because he did not give republicans everything they wanted. You do not seem to understand what compromise means.
    The reality is that Obama comprised but with Senate Democrats from high cost areas like NY and California not with Republicans. Nice try, but a little honesty on this site would not hurt.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The reality is that Obama comprised but with Senate Democrats from high cost areas like NY and California not with Republicans. Nice try, but a little honesty on this site would not hurt.
    LoLz. Yeah, that is just silly. Making **** up does not impress me.
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    rabbitcaebannog;1062144305]Ah, I don't know...perhaps not give them everything they wanted.
    Where is the Olive Branch in those claims? Giving them everything they wanted? Do you understand that allowing people to keep more of what they earn gives a politician their worst nightmare, loss of power.

    Government spending that you're addressing has nothing to do with the loss of government jobs. What you are addressing is spending which was in place by appropriations and policies when Obama took office including a huge bail out. Under Obama, we see a sharp downturn in government jobs. That is the point I'm trying to make. We need more jobs in a recession not less. Obama could have bailed out states and allowed them to keep essential jobs instead of focusing on bailing out private institutions.
    Really? How does a govt. employee get paid, state, local, and Federal? You seem to have a very short memory, the bailout was a loan most of which has been paid back. It had nothing to do with public sector jobs for the most part. I asked you is there a sharp downturn in FEDERAL JOBS for that is what Obama controls? What we need are private sector jobs that don't cause debt but rather govt. revenue not public sector jobs created by the govt. What happens when the funding for those govt. created jobs runs out?

    Growing capital through financialization is a problem. This capital isn't being used to create jobs, through trade and commodity production in the economy, but rather a pattern of accumulation in which profit making occurs increasingly through financial channels. A particular group who is capitalizing on this economy is the rentier class which make their money off of passive income. We currently see massive amounts of payments to bondholders, laying off of public employees, exacerbating the cycle of unemployment and so people are buying less goods and services and don't pay much in taxes so less revenue comes in. Creditor friendly policies are harming our economy.
    Under this Administration there is no incentive for the private sector to create jobs. It isn't the private sectors role to create jobs but it does create meaningful jobs due to the nature of the private sector, something liberals seem to not understand.

    We have massive payments due bond holders that were forfeited when Obama took over GM/Chrysler. Where was your outrage then?

    I've not been brainwashed at all. I've looked at both sides of the argument and can clearly see the trend is toward privatizing services and the selling off of public assets. This in turn refines the ability to extract rents which keeps bondholders in complete power/control by making sure they will be paid in full be damn our public interest/goods and assets. And, to answer your final question, GDP is largely depended on consumer spending for goods and services.
    I have seen no evidence that you look at both sides of the issue and yes, the largest component of GDP is consumer spending meaning that when people have more spendable income that creates economic activity. Do you think tax cuts affect spendable income? Here is a perfect example of Obama's accomplishments

    President Obama walks into a local bank in Chicago to cash a check. He is surrounded by Secret Service agents. As he approaches the cashier he says, "Good morning Ma'am, could you please cash this check for me?"

    Cashier:
    "It would be my pleasure sir. Could you please show me your ID?"

    Obama:
    "Truthfully, I did not bring my ID with me as I didn't think there was any need to. I am President Barack Obama, the President of the United States of AMERICA !!!!"

    Cashier:
    "Yes sir, I know who you are, but with all the regulations and monitoring of the banks because of 9/11, impostors, forgers, money laundering, and bad mortgage underwriting not to mention requirements of the Dodd/Frank legislation, etc., I must insist on seeing ID."

    Obama:
    “Just ask anyone here at the bank who I am and they will tell you. Everybody knows who I am."

    Cashier:
    "I am sorry Mr. President but these are the bank rules and I must follow them."

    Obama:
    "I am urging you, please, to cash this check. I need to buy a gift for Michelle for Valentine’s Day"

    Cashier:
    "Look Mr. President, here is an example of what we can do. One day, Tiger Woods came into one of our bank branches without ID. To prove he was Tiger Woods he pulled out his putter and made a beautiful shot across the bank into a coffee cup. With that shot we knew him to be Tiger Woods and cashed his check.”
    “Another time, Andre Agassi came into the same place without ID. He pulled out his tennis racquet and made a fabulous shot where as the tennis ball landed in a coffee cup. With that shot we cashed his check.
    So, Mr. President, what can you do to prove that it is you, and only you, as the President of the United States?"

    Obama:
    Obama stands there thinking, and thinking, and finally says, "Honestly, my mind is a total blank...there is nothing that comes to my mind. I can't think of a single thing. I have absolutely no idea what to do and I don’t have a clue.”

    Cashier:
    "Will that be large or small bills, Mr. President?

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You're the one with all the talking points.
    You are right, I get my talking points from verifiable non partisan data at BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury. I also have 35 years of actual business experience in the private sector and actually employed thousands of employees. What is your experience level?

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You are right, I get my talking points from verifiable non partisan data at BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury. I also have 35 years of actual business experience in the private sector and actually employed thousands of employees. What is your experience level?
    That is where you distort your talking points from. Remember the cumulative discouraged worker fiasco? The comparing 2012 dollars to 1980 dollars? The comparing inflation adjusted dollars to raw dollars that we all laughed at for weeks? The refusal to understand rations?
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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The reality is that Obama comprised but with Senate Democrats from high cost areas like NY and California not with Republicans. Nice try, but a little honesty on this site would not hurt.
    The idea of compromise to a liberal is picking winners and losers along with redistributing wealth. This Administration doesn't compromise for to compromise would be to actually sit down with the Opposition until something positive is accomplished. Obama sets the tone and that tone has been negative from day one, Stimulus passes with very little GOP Support due to the focus of that stimulus, Obamacare passes with no GOP input or support. Yes, that bodes well for bipartisanship.

    Obama should tell Harry Reid to get those bills out of his desk and let the Senate debate them. Obama should call the Congress into session and sit down with the leaders in a locked room and come up with a solution to stimulate and grow the private sector economy that Obama is overseeing.

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    Re: US unemployment lowest in 4 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    LoLz. Yeah, that is just silly. Making **** up does not impress me.
    It seems honest debate does not impress you. Do you think that the NY Senators would be able to sell to their constituents that making $250K per year makes you a billionaire. Try buying a condo in NYC and get back to us.

    The reality is that there was no need to compromise with republicans as the tax cuts were due to expire did not go there because of pushback from his party.

    political debate does not have to mean dishonest or ignoring facts. We complain about Washington, but this site shows that there can be no real discussions because people just need to make stuff up fighting for "their side".

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